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Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by Groxx on Saturday April 28, 2012 @08:43PM (#3904657)
I'm noticing that a lot of the expectations / requirements are a lot lower. Most are "up to 2 years" experience.

Last time I was job hunting, everything was asking for 5+ years experience in one software stack and multiple frameworks. Sometimes 5+ years in multiple fields. What changed?

Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by qntm on Saturday April 28, 2012 @08:56PM (#3904694)
Well, for one thing, the total number of digital computers in the whole world increased by a factor of about a hundred million.
Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by kylemaxwell on Saturday April 28, 2012 @09:08PM (#3904716)
What changed over the last 50+ years in computing that might raise expectations for programming experience? The personal computer "revolution" of the 80s and 90s would like to have a friendly word with you. :)
Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by richardlblair on Saturday April 28, 2012 @10:16PM (#3904859)
Computing as a whole has changed. We are comparing a time (then) when physicians and mathematicians were the ones laying the ground work for what we have today to a time when people start programming to make video games and cool websites (today).

Also, getting experience back then was fairly difficult. Just getting your hands on a computer to get the experience would have been a challenge. Compare that to today where there are kids, literally kids, programming at home right now. For example, I started programming when I was 17.

Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by tim_h on Saturday April 28, 2012 @08:45PM (#3904663)
Probably the availability of people with 5+ years of programming experience. It was 1959! :)
Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by Groxx on Saturday April 28, 2012 @08:49PM (#3904676)
I don't know. Essentially every place I've contacted I've asked about that clause. Not one actually expected to find it, but they all listed it.

5+ years seems to me to be a strange expectation. That would mean you've had either multiple failing jobs and might be an undesirable, or you've been somewhere for 5+ years. If you've been there for 5+ years, what's motivating you to leave? Where do people expect to find these vast pools of highly-skilled jobless people who have experience with <software stack X> in <field which employs a couple thousand people nationally> within <narrow time window>? That they never find any seems to underscore how irrational the 'requirement' is in the first place, but I see it everywhere.

Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by groovy2shoes on Saturday April 28, 2012 @09:21PM (#3904746)
I remember reading a job ad back in 2003 that wanted someone with 5+ years of C# and .NET experience. I assume the position was filled before 2006. (It's possible but unlikely that they were solely looking to poach Microsoft employees.)
Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by richardlblair on Saturday April 28, 2012 @10:19PM (#3904871)
This happens a lot. HR ends up being in charge and comes up with requirements that don't make much of any sense.
Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by xxpor on Sunday April 29, 2012 @02:05AM (#3905252)
I think it's breaks down like no experience = SDE 1

2 years = SDE 2

5+ = SDE 3, regardless of language.

Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by laluser on Saturday April 28, 2012 @08:46PM (#3904665)
I am not sure if you are serious or not, but the post is from 1959. Experience in what they wanted was probably a lot more rare back then.
Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by RollAHardSix on Saturday April 28, 2012 @08:47PM (#3904672)
I think it's similar to the over-education problem. Oh, everyone has a bachelor's (2 years experience) now we need everyone to have Master's degrees (5-8 years experience).

I'm actually curious if one day there won't be a reversal of the trend...I would think it would be at the point where supply no longer meets demand. But really, who knows.

Re:IBM 1959 Job Post by roguecoder on Saturday April 28, 2012 @10:01PM (#3904833)
Programmers need far less education now than they did then, on the other hand.