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Re:Willow Protocol by rklaehn on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @01:56PM (#39031839)
This looks very interesting. They made very similar choices than we (iroh) did. Rust, ed keys, blake3.

They seem to do their own streams, while we are adapting QUIC to a more p2p approach. Also the holepunching approach seems to be different. But I would love to get more details.

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Re:Willow Protocol by ramrunner0xff on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @02:37PM (#39032352)
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Kb1lKscAMDQ

this was the presentation at DC'31. i will also check out iroh! thanks for working in building something in this space, it is much much needed!

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Re:Willow Protocol by rklaehn on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @03:14PM (#39032820)
Thanks. This is awesome. I think they are doing more work themselves in terms of crypto, whereas we rely on QUIC+TLS more.

Regarding holepunching, our approach is a bit less pure p2p, but has quite good success rates. We copy the DERP protocol from tailscale.

I am confident that we have a better story regarding handling of large blobs. We don't just use blake3, but blake3 verified streaming to allow for range requests.

Also I wrote my own rust library for blake3 verified streaming that reduces the overhead of the verification data. https://crates.io/crates/bao-tree

I tried to get on their discord at https://veilid.com/discord, but I get an invalid invite. You know a better way to get in touch?

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Re:Willow Protocol by ramrunner0xff on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @05:19PM (#39034380)
hmm this is strange, i tried the invite and it worked for me. If you are on fedi, @[email protected] is part of the team.

thanks for the links, i will get in touch personally when i try ir0h :)

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