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Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by dsabanin on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:06PM (#39030416)
The research is publicly funded by US tax payers, but releasing it without any restrictions or delays makes it public for everyone, even for those countries who had nothing to do with funding it and are sworn enemies of the US and it's allies.
Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by suoduandao3 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:19PM (#39030589)
Those countries can already pirate that data with minimal effort. The only way to keep that kind of data out of your rivals' hands is via trade secrets.
Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by Guvante on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:18PM (#39030566)
If everybody has X then someone I dislike will is a terrible argument.

It does not cost $1k a year to have access to these publications as an individual, anything our "enemies" would want could be obtained for effectively zero dollars.

Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by jzb on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:13PM (#39030508)
This is a defense of the current system? That a paywall is what stands between our precious research and our “sworn enemies”?

So, other countries and entities can fund weapons, armies, spies, but a paywall is a bridge too far to cross? That’s an extremely weak argument.

Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by sleeplessworld on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:17PM (#39030556)
Who do you mean by "... those countries ..."? If we are talking state level, will a paywall really make any difference? Could it be that enemy spies already have their finger on the pulse for interesting research, unless it is very secret? And indeed the most secret stuff is often the primary target... Or is the target only scientists and students?
Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by infamouscow on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:16PM (#39030541)
There's nothing about the academic publishing system preventing "sworn enemies of the US" from getting access to journals. If you're conducting research on something that the US federal government deems a matter of national security, it means you've received a security clearance. You're not publishing anything in a journal unless you fancy a long prison sentence.
Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:10PM (#39030477)
Oh, no! Anyway
Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by InSteady on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:25PM (#39030671)
Are we really going to pretend that America's "sworn enemies" can't get behind a $150 paywall for article access? This effectively only keeps poor people out and severely limits access for the struggling middle class scientists/hobbyists/students (including grad students and adjuncts) who lack institutional access.

Generally speaking, science (and particularly publicly funded science) is an internationally collaborative process. Anything that would be of material harm in the hands of a rival government should either be classified or kept well protected within the bowels of private industry.

Is there any reason the believe that science publisher's gatekeeping has ever been a significant roadblock to nation-states that are already capable of industrial espionage and intelligence activity?

Re:Bad stuff going down at the American Sociological Associa... by lupusreal on Wednesday January 17, 2024 @12:18PM (#39030577)
If something needs to be classified for national security reasons, that's another matter entirely. Putting papers behind a journal's $100 paywall won't deter China!