Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space

Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by Yizahi on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:38AM (#39014476)

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In Space" help to instill superficial respect in the tech.

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by diggan on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:43AM (#39014575)

Maybe I missed something obvious, but does the IPFS project itself say anywhere that it does "file preservation"?

The only thing I can find from official resources is documentation saying IPFS does not do that at all. Example from https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-...

> What IPFS isn't

> IPFS is not ... A storage provider: While there are storage providers built with IPFS support (typically known as pinning services), IPFS itself is a protocol, not a provider

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by Yizahi on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:53AM (#39014728)

The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup will guarantee preservation of some data via IPFS. This was also a usual argument in comparisons to commercial cloud storage.

Reading your link I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage. For example TCP is a protocol, but TCP is not a network of nodes even if there is a network of nodes using TCP to communicate.

I think this is some cheap wordplay to play pretend distributed filestorage and but also absolve themselves from any responsibility in case something goes wrong "IPFS is only a protocol, you probably was holding it wrong".

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by diggan on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:57AM (#39014785)

> The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup

Sounds like those people either don't understand what they're saying, or they're mindlessly shilling for Filecoin. Both are obviously shitty, but I don't think it's fair to point the team behind IPFS in a bad light because of what others say about it.

> I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage

IPFS is a protocol, IPFS is also the name of the network. IPFS doesn't automatically distribute data, hence it's not "storage", but a protocol for doing storage.

In the analogy to TCP, TCP/http are the most common protocols, and the most common network is what we call "Internet". Initially, there was many competing networks, until eventually The Internet overtook all the other networks and essentially "won".

(edit: again, gross over-simplification about the history the internet and more, hopefully won't be too misleading. Better overview can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet)

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by wegfawefgawefg on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @11:13AM (#39015012)

libgen uses ipfs. books on ipfs are a great idea.

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by wegfawefgawefg on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @11:38AM (#39015275)

http is not a website. but you can use it to serve websites.

ipfs is not a fileserver. but you can use it to host files.

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by acejam on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @11:56AM (#39015533)

Here's a secret: IPFS is not a data storage protocol. It's a data routing protocol.

Start thinking that way and it will take you to a whole new universe.

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by Yizahi on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @12:17PM (#39015848)

So it is name of the protocol and not the name of the network system using this protocol, right?

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by wegfawefgawefg on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:41AM (#39014523)

I have uploaded files about 3 years ago to ipfs and somehow its still there.

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by Yizahi on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @10:46AM (#39014622)

Unfortunately I have to repeat what I just wrote word for word:

"there is no GUARANTEE about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically)"

Sure your files are accidentally still present in the cache. Good for you. The problem is deceiving other people who may think it's somehow spacemagically-interplanetary guaranteed.

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Re:Filecoin Foundation Successfully Deploys IPFS in Space by wegfawefgawefg on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @11:14AM (#39015021)

No reason to repeat yourself. I was surprised that it was still up. I knew very well they were likely to dissapear. I assumed it would have been gone by now.

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