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Re:Five richest men double their money as poorest get poorer by dgb23 on Monday January 15, 2024 @09:37AM (#39001426)
This viewpoint existed (to a more extreme degree) in the 18th and 19th century too.

"If we give everyone the vote then...", "If workers have protections then...", "If women had equal rights then..." etc.

It's interesting how stubbornly this false and negative image of humanity has persisted even though every time we made progress the opposite was found to be true.

Yes, we are lazy, greedy and dumb. But we are also disciplined, helpful and smart to a much higher degree. Not because someone holds a whip, but because we just want to. We should maybe stop optimizing society to cater to the few people (or circumstances) where this isn't the case.

Re:Five richest men double their money as poorest get poorer by keester on Tuesday January 16, 2024 @01:26AM (#39010092)
Of course not everyone gets the vote. Not everyone gets the worker protections or can be women with equal rights, as you put it.

The issue here is not if we should provide these things but actually to provide them to as many people as possible. Sadly, people think we can just agree to do it or something and it magically happens.

My take is move slowly. Anyone who doesn't food and housing, try to make that happen for them as best we can. That's different than just decreeing from on high that ALL PEOPLE SHALL HAVE HOUSING!!