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Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by JumpCrisscross on Sunday January 14, 2024 @01:27PM (#38992955)
> we wouldn't allow someone to be an Uber or Lyft or truck driver if they were candid and said "I'm going to text on my phone, and be drunk driving and sleepy and distracted as often as the average motorist"

Half the taxi and Uber drivers in New York are perpetually on a phone call, and frequently interacting with their phones.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by ben_w on Sunday January 14, 2024 @02:02PM (#38993329)
I'll take your word for it (not being an American and only having visited NYC once), but even then most of the rules of the road are… not perfectly enforced. I suspect if the rules were perfectly enforced, the only humans allowed to drive would be those who actually don't.

I suspect — no, I hope — that anyone who admits in advance that they intend to break the rules, won't get a license.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by tempest_ on Sunday January 14, 2024 @02:13PM (#38993446)
I mean just look at how popular automated enforcement like speed and red light cameras.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by kelnos on Sunday January 14, 2024 @04:08PM (#38994456)
Not sure which side you're arguing. Does the US even have automated speed traps? Every time I hear about them, there's opposition and it doesn't happen. I think the most recent one I heard about in the US, the plan was to issue a ticket unless the speed is at least 11mph over the limit, which seems... both fine but also kinda silly?

Red light cameras were even a big fight to get implemented back when they were a new idea, though they're relatively uncontroversial these days.

To me, the difference is that the speed limit is intentionally poorly enforced, because law enforcement knows that speed limits in many places are set inconsistently and at unreasonable levels (and I believe that's also intentional; I recall reading that limits in many places are set at the 85% percentile of actual measured traffic speed, or something like that). An automated speed trap can't judge whether a particular speed is safe for the current weather and traffic conditions.

On the other hand, it's never safe to run a red light; that's just a binary "you did it"/"you didn't do it". Yes, I know, technically it is safe to run a red light when visibility is plentiful and there's no cross-traffic within sight, but I think we as a society have accepted the idea that you just shouldn't run red lights, and getting ticketed for doing so is fine under nearly any circumstances.