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Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by hinkley on Sunday January 14, 2024 @01:16PM (#38992822)
The bar for commercial driving should definitely be higher than for “civilian”.

But I think the bar for civilian is also woefully out of date now. Giant trucks should require a commercial license. Make it easier to get than a delivery truck license, but weed out the soccer moms and bring back the station wagon. If you’re a professional tree trimmer, general contractor, or a forester, renewing your license is on the clock and not a big deal.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by Ekaros on Sunday January 14, 2024 @02:55PM (#38993826)
Pretty much done in Europe.

First of all for vehicles with total mass of above 3500 kg you need extra license. And also separate one if you have a trailer. This is get it and keep it, until certain age. But good enough often.

And then in general commercial operations also need more licensing. Which needs to be renewed after certain time.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by FooBarBizBazz on Sunday January 14, 2024 @02:12PM (#38993429)
This is a great idea and the first I've heard of it. Set a maximum weight of 5,000 lbs for an ordinary license. Minivans will come in just under the line. Small SUVs like the CRV or RAV4 will be allowed, as will small trucks like the Ford Maverick. Indeed, most of those vehicles are under 4,000 lbs. Even some larger SUVs like the Honda Pilot or (just barely) the Toyota 4runner get under the bar. Even a low-specced F-150. But nothing bigger than that.

Truth is, I'd prefer the bar at 4,000 lbs, which would limit us to Camrys and CRVs, but 5,000 would really allow just about any reasonable vehicle.

And big heavy EVs with massive acceleration are just too powerful for somebody who's got a Starbucks in one hand, a cell phone in the other, their knee on the wheel, and shouting kids in the back seat. "Pedal misapplication" will go tragic really fast.

5,000 lb limit.

Sincerely,

A Pedestrian

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by c0nfused on Sunday January 14, 2024 @04:32PM (#38994636)
I actually think we should also include a hood height limit.

I would be for a CDL for any vehicle that is tall enough that an aver age pedestrian standing on the street cannot see over the hood.

I'm over 6 feet tall and I regularly have trouble doing this as a pedestrian in the USA. I can only imagine how it is to be smaller.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by hinkley on Monday January 15, 2024 @03:35PM (#39005745)
Absolutely. Those iconic 70’s car profiles will never be seen again because they suck pedestrians under the car and kill them. Trucks have some loopholes for this.

Even the Cooper Mini had to get taller about 10 years ago so the hood angle wouldn’t flip people head first into the windshield. And for side impact ratings. Those two are why the mini is so huge now. (I parked my midsized sedan next to a countryman the other day and when I came back I staggered and rolled my eyes because it is 20% bigger than my car in height and almost in width. Wtf).

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by davchana on Sunday January 14, 2024 @03:26PM (#38994112)
It would also help to make it expensive to maintain/own vehicles over certain wait. California charges weight fees, but only for pickups, no car or SUV gets that weight fees.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by sneak on Sunday January 14, 2024 @04:39PM (#38994683)
A distracted driver can kill pedestrians just as easily in a 3999lb vehicle.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by AlexandrB on Sunday January 14, 2024 @06:04PM (#38995364)
All other things being equal, that's true. All other things are not equal though. The 4000lb+ vehicles often have worse visibility, so you have to pay more attention to make sure a kid didn't wander in front of your truck while you were waiting to make a right turn.
Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by Qwertious on Monday January 15, 2024 @01:11AM (#38997871)
>A distracted driver can kill pedestrians just as easily in a 3999lb vehicle.

No they can't - a lighter vehicle has a slightly harder time killing people. It's still incredibly easy, but the pedestrian fatality rates do go down the lighter the vehicle is.

Re:Why autonomous trucking is harder than autonomous rideshare by hinkley on Monday January 15, 2024 @01:40AM (#38998023)
Haven't we proven that the sense of invulnerability leads to worse outcomes as well?