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Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by zbrozek on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:08AM (#38969742)
Is there a way to know how much to care? We do all sorts of things that displace species, so having some way of contextualizing and weighting the harm against the benefit would be helpful.
Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by monkeynotes on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:47AM (#38970381)
Seems to me it would initially be a narrowly scoped to the immediate outflow. As the brine dissipates I assume it will be normalized by the rest of the ocean as it's diluted.

However, as with all human endeavours, scaling up will scale up the problem. And we won't pay attention to that until it's a huge issue.

Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by jakderrida on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:52AM (#38970469)
> However, as with all human endeavours, scaling up will scale up the problem.

This just makes your prior point seem like it comes from a needlessly misanthropic place.

Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by solardev on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:09PM (#38970763)
Not the OP, but I think humans in general find it difficult to scale up. Whether in software or manufacturing or politics or environmental issues, we're much more equipped to deal with 1 or 10 of something than 100,000 or 1 trillion of it.

At the end of the day we're still limited by our biology and brains, evolved for very different setting than the world we now live in. We try and we get by but by and large we're not doing great at large scale issues, whether it's jobs or housing or healthcare or saving the planet or just plain getting along with each other.

We're primates adapted for small group living in local communities, abruptly given way more power than our biology was designed for. Is that misanthropic? I dunno. If dolphins had opposable thumbs, they'd probably have gotten themselves into a similar bind.

Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by monkeynotes on Friday January 12, 2024 @03:42PM (#38973734)
Whether it's misanthropic or not is moot if it's just a plain fact.
Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by solardev on Friday January 12, 2024 @03:45PM (#38973772)
Yeah, true too.
Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by solardev on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:52AM (#38970466)
This is necessarily a value judgment, isn't it? There are tools like lifecycle analyses and environmental impact reports and threatened species lists that can help estimate/enumerate impacts. But ultimately how much to care is a personal question, and people are going to disagree over whether some small fish or rare owl or fluffy panda is worth more or less than someone's job or a local industry or just some other charismatic species.

Species will always come and go, and they're going to die off faster than we can protect them, sadly. We only get to decide which ones to prioritize, at different personal, local, national, global levels etc.

Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by zbrozek on Friday January 12, 2024 @08:03PM (#38976308)
I would start by wanting to know about the impact and benefit relative to other activities which we already do. Like how's it compare to various flavors of farming?
Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by solardev on Friday January 12, 2024 @08:59PM (#38976644)
There's a database for California Environmental Quality Act reports, I think (Environmental Impact Reports? Statements? One is federal and the other is state, can't remember which is which). That probably have similar solar farms you can look at. Not sure about huge desal projects. Maybe overseas?

I'll try to find some analyses this weekend if I can.

Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by bobthepanda on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:54PM (#38972272)
The Canaries have 32% of the economy based on tourism, and a good chunk of that depends on the local ecology (scuba, nice beaches, etc.)

If you want to see what a tourism place looks like when you destroy its ecology, you only need look at the abandoned areas around the Salton Sea.

Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by palmfacehn on Friday January 12, 2024 @02:04PM (#38972404)
The Salton Sea in its current iteration was created by the failure of an irrigation canal. Before that there was no Salton Sea as we know it or tourist area.
Re:A vision for the alleviation of water scarcity in the US ... by bobthepanda on Friday January 12, 2024 @02:20PM (#38972612)
Sure, but that’s beside the point of the question, which is “how do we know salinifying an area enough to kill species is bad”