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Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by awiejrilawej on Friday January 12, 2024 @10:20AM (#38969060)
I'm genuinely curious, why are there so many extraordinarily pro-nuclear people on this forum? And how many of them have greater than zero experience with nuclear anything? I worked in the nuclear power industry for a decade and people in the industry are not as maniacally pro-nuclear as the people in this forum.
Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by evandale on Friday January 12, 2024 @10:32AM (#38969216)
This forum has lots of highly intelligent individuals and nuclear power is the most intelligent energy source to switch to so we can stop relying on fossil fuels.

Perhaps you were working with people who don't feel the need to talk about how great nuclear is all the time because you all work in the industry and understand that already.

Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by yellow_lead on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:21AM (#38969942)
I think it's because the enormous costs of plant construction are not well understood. Or maybe, we think these costs can be reduced greatly.
Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by adastra22 on Friday January 12, 2024 @10:03PM (#38976945)
The latter. Costs are artificially high. Indeed in a weird roundabout way they are mandated to be high. It has nothing to do with actual needs.
Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by JoeAltmaier on Friday January 12, 2024 @10:53AM (#38969528)
By definition then, those people have experience with decades-old technologies and installations?

The enthusiasm is largely for newer nuclear designs that address the FUD that gets thrown around whenever nuclear is mentioned.

Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by pjc50 on Friday January 12, 2024 @10:52AM (#38969507)
It's weird, isn't it? There's a lot of nuclear cheerleaders, and it makes me suspicious when they're also anti-renewables rather than "yes, and".

Essentially everyone has forgotten the arguments of the nineties: nuclear weapons proliferation, waste dumping, and covering the entirety of western Europe in a thin layer of airborne radioactive particles. As well as the more practical cost overruns. Personally I think it would be worth someone giving SMR a go, but in a different country from me and at their own expense.

Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by gcheong on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:22AM (#38969960)
"nuclear weapons proliferation,..." Seems like we got that anyway thanks to the military industrial complex without getting much in the way of nuclear energy generation.
Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by pjc50 on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:37AM (#38970207)
Lots of places built dual-purpose reactors? The initial UK nuclear program (Windscale) was weapons-first. The famous French reactor programme and their independent nuclear deterrent are also linked.

Also, this is why people are reluctant to let some of the world's larger carbon emitters, the oil states in the middle east, build nuclear reactors. Iran has a small, heavily monitored fleet.

Re:Wind turbines are friendlier to birds than oil-and-gas dr... by gcheong on Friday January 12, 2024 @11:41AM (#38970286)
Fair enough, but my point is that nuclear power generation and nuclear weapons development are two different things and one doesn't necessarily lead to the other. In other words one can be against a particular use of a technology without being against the technology itself.