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Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by ren_engineer on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:23PM (#38959285)
the ultra wealthy put all their assets into trusts or charities that dodge taxes and don't require selling anything. They can then take out loans using those assets as collateral when they need cash
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by SkyBelow on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:48PM (#38959675)
Are they allowed to take out loans without paying them back? If they have to pay them back, eventually they have to use that collateral which will be a taxable event. They might be able to delay, but they'll eventually have to pay.
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by loeg on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:09PM (#38960030)
"Buy, Borrow, Die" is the talking point. Cost basis of the assets gets stepped up at death so the inheritor can pay off the loans at that point in time without paying taxes on capital gains.
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by SkyBelow on Friday January 12, 2024 @12:44PM (#38971292)
Then this seems to be the loophole that needs to be resolved. Before the estate pays out, the debts should be settled within the estate using the cost basis belong to the deceased. Assets paid out after loans are satisfied should then have their cost basis reset (if that happens at all, I don't want to take a stance either way if that should happen, except it should only apply once loans are repaid if it ever does apply).
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by loeg on Friday January 12, 2024 @01:22PM (#38971826)
Mechanically, I don't think that works. What prevents the debt from attaching to the inheritor before death (e.g., co-signed loan)? The only solution here is eliminating the cost basis step-up at death.
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by mfitton on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:53PM (#38959764)
Could they not make sure that enough of their assets are in cash-flowing assets (think, rent-yielding assets, or treasuries, or dividend-yielding stock, etc.) that need not be sold and whose cash-flow can be utilized?
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by twoodfin on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:59PM (#38959875)
All those cash flows are taxed.
Re:93% of U.S. households' stock market wealth is held by th... by bluecalm on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:14PM (#38960116)
They invest the loans and make even more money. No need to sell anything ever.