News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by riffraff on Thursday January 11, 2024 @03:55PM (#38958923)
If you wanted to tax the wealth.. have a wealth tax? It's a thing in countries including Norway and Switzerland, and similar things exist in others (e.g. Italy taxes assets in some weird non linear way).
Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by Matumio on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:21PM (#38959263)
Yes there is a wealth tax in Switzerland, but... it would have to be much higher to make a difference. Raising it will not pass a referendum, which it practically has to in Switzerland. It has one big advantage, though: official numbers about wealth distribution.

I think micro taxation on all transactions (including at ATMs) would work better. Easier to explain, harder to avoid since you tax both sides of each transaction.

Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by wh0knows on Thursday January 11, 2024 @07:56PM (#38962032)
Aren’t these taxations generally regressive given poor people spend ~100% of their income and ultra rich people spend <1%. So you’re taxing the poor person on all of their money but barely taxing the rich person.
Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by Panzer04 on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:47PM (#38960560)
This is what a GST/VAT is, but far less disruptive. Taxing transactions that don't actually exchange ownership would be bonkers.
Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by janalsncm on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:52PM (#38959742)
Makes sense to me. We already have a wealth tax of sorts. It’s called “property tax” which is mostly a house tax. We can tax other property too, including virtual assets such as shares.
Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by scoofy on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:07PM (#38962139)
This is a scheme to tax capital gains, not wealth. The point of this prescription isn't that "the rich have too much money," it is that we have gotten to the point where some of the largest capital gains go untaxed, period.

The idea that a gain isn't a gain until the asset is sold is nonsense. That'd literally be like saying that Bill Gates or Warren Buffett never made a dime on any of their stock that they are giving the charity. It's a ludicrous conception of capital gains, but it's exactly the one we use.

Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by riffraff on Friday January 12, 2024 @02:29AM (#38965120)
I answered the way I did cause you wrote "if we wanted to tax this wealth".

Which is the point, really, cause nobody cares about the small person who got a 1000% return on 50$ of Bitcoin, we care about massive assets owned by a tiny minority who is able to dodge capital gains tax even if their asset growth is only 4% per year.

Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by scoofy on Friday January 12, 2024 @05:26PM (#38974991)
Let's say you have $1,000,000, and you by a share of Bershire or whatever that increases to $3,000,000.

A capital gains tax taxes the $2,000,000 unrealized -- but eventually effective -- gain.

A wealth tax taxes the $3,000,000 estimated net worth.

There is a real distinction. A real reason to incentivize productive capital, and that is you get to keep what you've earned. The point I'm trying to make is only that people should pay taxes, and an unrealized capital gain from literally 40 years ago isn't some unknowable investment outcome... it's a capital gain.

Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by remich on Friday January 12, 2024 @03:39PM (#38973693)
Our system would make sense if it was the case that the literal only way to turn and asset into money was to sell it. But, because assets can instead be used as collateral for loans, asset owners (overwhelmingly the wealthy in the U.S.) get to have their cake and eat it too.
Re:Google Cuts Jobs in Engineering and Other Divisions by vmladenov on Saturday January 13, 2024 @04:09AM (#38978327)
I’ve never understood this reasoning. Loans need to be repaid at some point, so one must realize some income to pay them back, at which point they will owe tax.