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Re:A High Frequency Trader's Apology, Pt 2 by sakai on Thursday April 26, 2012 @03:14PM (#3895639)
That example, however, it not solely germane to ultra-HFT. More traditional market makers have provided that level of liquidity for a long time.

Do you have an example of where sub-100 ms execution truly adds significant liquidity?

I'm open to listening, but have never heard a convincing case for why HFT below such a time threshold adds net value (i.e., enough to make up for the volatility it can cause).

Edit: Changed to "solely germane"

Re:A High Frequency Trader's Apology, Pt 2 by yummyfajitas on Thursday April 26, 2012 @03:31PM (#3895712)
That example, however, it not solely germane to ultra-HFT. More traditional market makers have provided that level of liquidity for a long time.

The studies I link to provide compelling evidence that traditional market makers provided much lower levels of liquidity.

Do you have an example of where sub-100 ms execution truly adds significant liquidity?

Please reread my post starting from the words "The Latency Arms Race".

Re:A High Frequency Trader's Apology, Pt 2 by nhaehnle on Thursday April 26, 2012 @05:14PM (#3896169)
Actually, out of the three links the first one does not talk about HFT at all, but about algorithmic trading. I don't think anybody seriously thinks algorithmic trading is bad per se.

The third link talks about reducing the bid/ask spread. Fair enough. However, what people seem to forget in these discussions is that if you are genuinely trading in the long run, then the bid/ask spread is mostly irrelevant anyway, because it is totally dominated by intraday fluctuations. Whether I buy at the offered price at 12am vs 1pm makes a much bigger difference than whether a HFT reduced the spread by some small amount. I have yet to see an argument that the sum of intraday fluctuations + bid/ask spread is helped at all by HFT.

So one study remains (this one: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1624329). This one might genuinely apply - I haven't had the time to go through it - but the abstract isn't exactly enthusiastic, and probably disregards the social costs that come from people being sucked into the field. So I am still skeptical. Confirmation bias applies as well, I guess ;)

Re:A High Frequency Trader's Apology, Pt 2 by ChristianMarks on Thursday April 26, 2012 @10:36PM (#3897234)
That's a familiar pattern: disingenuously link to studies that don't validate an assertion.
Re:A High Frequency Trader's Apology, Pt 2 by scott_s on Thursday April 26, 2012 @03:33PM (#3895721)
I thought he answered your question well in the section Automated market makers - like humans, but faster and smarter.