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Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by Aaargh20318 on Thursday January 11, 2024 @09:37AM (#38952721)
> The correlation between vegans and health is muddied by the fact that vegans put far more thought into their diet than the average person

It's also likely that they simply eat less because vegan food just isn't very good.

Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by Snow_Falls on Thursday January 11, 2024 @10:20AM (#38953379)
Chips are vegan you know. As is most sauce.
Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by hnra on Thursday January 11, 2024 @03:10PM (#38958254)
Interestingly (at least in Sweden) most chips used to not be vegan, but it's getting better. A lot of chips contain animal based flavor enhancers.
Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by Snow_Falls on Thursday January 11, 2024 @05:15PM (#38960134)
I stand corrected!
Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by Aaargh20318 on Friday January 12, 2024 @07:55AM (#38967411)
> A lot of chips contain animal based flavor enhancers.

I think this is mainly as a response to people using plant based fats for deep frying. Traditionally they were fried in beef tallow, no need for any flavour enhancers if you fry them in beef fat.

Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by Aaargh20318 on Friday January 12, 2024 @07:53AM (#38967396)
Good example. Fries used to be (when I was a kid) deep fried in beef tallow. Nowadays it's usually plant based fats and while still good, it's not nearly as good as those fried in beef tallow.

Also, fries need mayo, which is made with eggs.

Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by at_compile_time on Thursday January 11, 2024 @03:45PM (#38958782)
There's vegan food, the processed, pale imitations of animal products you'll find in the health food aisle, and there's vegan food: rich, hearty vegetable and bean soup, fresh rustic sourdough bread, and vegetables roasted until they caramelize.

Most people would think these foods boring, but that's because they've only ever had the shitty, mass-produced versions.

Re:The biggest losers: Metabolic damage or constrained energy? by Aaargh20318 on Friday January 12, 2024 @07:48AM (#38967365)
> rich, hearty vegetable and bean soup

Add some fried bacon bits and tell me it's not infinitely better for it.

> fresh rustic sourdough bread

Which is great on its own, but much better with some butter and ham.

> vegetables roasted until they caramelize

Which is a great side dish next to a good steak.

Nothing wrong with vegetables, but none of these things are as satisfying as they would be combined with some animal products.