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Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by latexr on Thursday January 11, 2024 @06:59AM (#38951076)
> pay for services instead of being the product

That cliché is no longer applicable (was it ever?) and repeating it only helps the worst infringers.

You can pay and still be the product. Consider the streaming services which charge you but still serve ads, or physical appliances that you buy but send your usage habits to the manufacturer (like TVs). Paying is not a guarantee that a company will treat you or your privacy with respect.

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by brookst on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:42AM (#38952048)
You can wear a seat belt and still die in a crash.

Nothing in life is a guarantee. It’s pure pedantry to hear someone say “I would rather pay than be the product” and to choose to interpret that as “I believe that paying always guarantees that the company will never also use indirect monetization”.

Preferring business with direct monetization models is risk mitigation, not a naive (and incorrect) belief in a magic bullet solution to a complex problem.

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by thfuran on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:55AM (#38952188)
No, the naivety is in the belief that paying offers any privacy protection. It's not a seat belt; it's homeopathic snake oil.
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by HenryBemis on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:53AM (#38952165)
So next time you walk down the street, if someone crosses your path give them you wallet, phone, laptop, sneakers, jacket because "hey they may pull a knife on me"(?)

I say that where money can be made, money will be made. But we have laws and regulations, and when the Metas of this world play dirty, you can stick it to them. (in most cases it will be too little - too late)(but the solution is not to roll over)

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by happytiger on Thursday January 11, 2024 @07:43AM (#38951466)
Here here. Paying no longer protects anything. If anything, you’re more valuable as a data brokered account if you’re KYC verified as a real person: so in fact the opposite case is now often the reality.

Consider that paying makes you prime rib for Sunday dinner from a data perspective: card verified PII.

And do not forget that you can be assigned an ID and disassociated from your data, which can then be tracked anonymously completely legally as a non-personally identifiable account. And let me assure you de-anonymizing a collected dataset is often not a very difficult problem in the modern data brokerage filled era.

We cannot pay out way out of this. We need rights to privacy and deletion enshrined in constitutional-style law, and soon. It must become a fundamental human right.

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by guappa on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:16AM (#38951800)
*hear hear
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by aspenmayer on Thursday January 11, 2024 @09:21AM (#38952483)
Thank you. The one that always bugs me on HN is folks “pouring” over something when they really mean poring, or to pore over something.
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by GrinningFool on Thursday January 11, 2024 @11:46AM (#38954713)
Right up there with "weary" being used as an unintentional portmanteau of "leery" and "wary".
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by dmoy on Thursday January 11, 2024 @12:50PM (#38955809)
Oh man, that explains a lot of my confusion. I've seen people say weary and I thought they actually meant weary. Like they were tired because of the thing. But it never scanned correctly, so I was just confused.

Now it makes sense - they meant wary / leery.

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by aspenmayer on Thursday January 11, 2024 @02:35PM (#38957643)
Until they mentioned it, I wasn’t even aware of how many abuses of the English language lay in these hills. I’m spooked lol
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by aspenmayer on Thursday January 11, 2024 @03:17PM (#38958360)
I don’t assume that people who don’t know how to use weary correctly are that clever, but perhaps you’re just more grammatically optimistic than I am.
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by seanw444 on Thursday January 11, 2024 @10:06AM (#38953124)
I don't think I've ever seen that one done correctly.
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by aspenmayer on Thursday January 11, 2024 @10:09AM (#38953166)
It’s pretty rare to find a good pour over too, but Peet’s does a decent one. /s
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by MeImCounting on Thursday January 11, 2024 @12:04PM (#38955037)
OK but really if you want good coffee dont go to national corporate chains go to your local roaster is is passionate about good coffee. Always better.
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by aspenmayer on Thursday January 11, 2024 @02:33PM (#38957599)
Naturally. I’m in full agreement.
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by happytiger on Friday January 12, 2024 @05:55PM (#38975295)
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/ubjbvc/what_...

Indeed. A mistyped phrase missed by both my sleep addled self and my annoying spell checker.

Rather than be defenseive (fore I gaudere gehrehte), let’s reflect on this moment to enjoy the fact that “we have over two thousand years of records of old people claiming that language has already peaked.”

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by HenryBemis on Thursday January 11, 2024 @08:51AM (#38952146)
This is 100% true. The problem is not paying or not. The problem is that tracking, collecting and selling your data is irrelevant to the Facebook few. They will still trade you as a cattle. The only difference is that you won't be flooded with ads (BM - 15MM - ads playing in full volume because you dared to look away)
Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by javari on Thursday January 11, 2024 @09:49AM (#38952869)
> Consider the streaming services which charge you but still serve ads

I pay for the ad-free experience on every service that offers it, and I still see ads. The 4 second hulu splash screen at the start of EVERY item I stream is still an ad. HBO, sorry MAX, showing 30s ads for other shows EVERY. TIME. I stream something, still an ad. At least those I can skip, but I shouldn't have to.

There was no real purpose to my post, I just needed to vent about that part your point.

Re:Meta unlawfully ignores the users' right to easily withdr... by plagiarist on Thursday January 11, 2024 @02:38PM (#38957716)
I don't think you should continue using them if paying for them still has ads. We take collective action now or we end up with cable TV all over again.