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Re:Attempting to engineer microscopic insulin pumps out of a... by synbio1 on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @09:21PM (#38946641)
Really cool area for emerging biotech. Insulin production circuits like the ones described in this article have inspired (and frustrated) synthetic biologists for a long time.

For anyone who approaches biotech with an engineering mindset, insulin makes for a very clean and well-posed problem.

1) Medical insulin is already produced by engineered microbes, and has been for 40 years. So we know microbes can do this safely and effectively.

2) Insulin is a single gene, so it's easy to engineer. We can move it around to different organisms and add different control systems to explore where and how it is expressed.

3) Diabetes is a well studied disease. We know a lot about how much insulin patients need, at what times, in response to what signals. So it is a well defined engineering problem.

4) There is a clear medical need for better diabetes treatments and a large profitable market for anyone who can deliver them.

Personally, I'm not sure that engineered microbes are going to be the best answer for delivering insulin to patients in real time. There are just so many alternative ways to deliver insulin. You'd have to really deep dive on a lot of options to decide which tech was most promising.

But insulin as a challenge problem has driven a lot of innovation in engineered live microbial medicines, including for applications where a microbe is really the only logical answer.

Check out the latest data from synlogic, for example, on live microbial therapies for other metabolic diseases: synlogictx.com/clinical-trials

Re:Attempting to engineer microscopic insulin pumps out of a... by circles_for-day on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @09:59PM (#38946932)
Its a neat headline, but its unclear what problem this is trying to solve. I hope the first viable versions it don't colonize the poor grad student.

I think these analogies miss the forest for the trees. This is a wholly different idea and approach than prior art related to insulin, synlogic's trials, or fermentation (the production of products by microbes in a reactor)

> 1) Medical insulin is already produced by engineered microbes, and has been for 40 years. So we know microbes can do this safely and effectively.

This is in a sterilized tank with defined media and careful controls, not on a human body.

> 2) Insulin is a single gene, so it's easy to engineer. We can move it around to different organisms and add different control systems to explore where and how it is expressed.

Syn bio control systems are so coarse and unreliable I would never trust my life to one. Would you?

> 3) Diabetes is a well studied disease. We know a lot about how much insulin patients need, at what times, in response to what signals. So it is a well defined engineering problem.

We do, but microbes don't

The synlogic trials are essentially for augmented digestion, something we've always relied on microbes for. That's a lot safer than a feedback-control mechanism for an essential hormone.

This is the creation of a (hopeful) symbiosis with the hope that the steady state for one organism is also the optimal steady state for the other.

This idea is also the release into the wild of an organism designed to live on or in humans with the hope it does not become a pathogen, and the hope that its host will never enter a metabolic state where it assumes the role of a pathogen.

Isn't this just gain-of-function research with another name? Feedback and control in syn-bio is coarse to say the least. Is it responsible to be developing this tech with a microbe that can live on mammals?

I must add, I am _profoundly_ pro-syn-bio. I think this field needs to take itself more seriously before something bad happens.

Re:Attempting to engineer microscopic insulin pumps out of a... by refurb on Thursday January 11, 2024 @04:43AM (#38949945)
> There is a clear medical need for better diabetes treatments and a large profitable market for anyone who can deliver them.

True, but with the exception of type I diabetics (a relatively small proportion of all diabetics, about 3% of total), the goal is to avoid insulin treatment.

What you want to do is reverse insulin resistance, while restoring blood glucose control. Basically reverse metabolic syndrome. That's what the therapies like SGLT2 inhibitors, GLP1s, DPP-4 inhibitors, etc.

If a type II patient gets to the point of needing exogenous insulin, you've basically reached the end of the line.