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Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by jacquesm on Monday January 08, 2024 @06:50PM (#38920240)
> I spent 18 months on it and the learning was soundly thrashed by three weeks in a classroom, and for all the pupils, not just me, primed for success by 18 months with Duolingo.

I wonder how well you would have done if it hadn't been for that 18 months. Because 'three weeks in a classroom' sounds suspiciously to how I learned Polish: I seemed to be making zero progress for years and then in a very short amount of time (a couple of weeks at most) it suddenly 'clicked' and I started to make sense of what I heard. I probably was learning at some level that wasn't accessible all the while thinking I wasn't making any progress at all.

Duolingo is 'infotainment', it gets you from zero to a little bit above zero and it may give you some useful number of words to recognize and maybe even to use actively. But it won't help you to speak a language, for that you need to progress beyond it. This is pretty much the same story with every other language, nobody learns to speak and use a language actively by reading the dictionary. But it certainly doesn't hurt to have a basic 200 or 300 word vocabulary on which to build.

Personally I use Anki for such learning rather than commercial services, it allows for far more customization and you won't be sucked into silly gamification for the sake of extending your subscription because there is none.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by vr46 on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @12:57AM (#38922888)
That everyone in the class demonstrated the same progress showed that Duolingo provided little advantage, which is what I was attempting to say in the quote.

I gave up Duolingo around 18 months before starting the course, which is for complete beginners with zero knowledge.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by johnnyanmac on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @10:10AM (#38927034)
>everyone in the class demonstrated the same progress s

Did they really? Did they all ace the tests and do all the assigned homework? I find that even harder to believe than Duolingo being the primary resource to teach you a language.

It's not like it's impossible, depending on the age of the class, money spent, if the school had a selection process, etc. But most adult classes aren't really that selective.

Re:Duolingo Cuts 10% of Contractors as It Uses More AI to Cr... by vr46 on Wednesday January 10, 2024 @03:03PM (#38942432)
We're only 5 weeks in and people have pretty much gotten to the same level of basic progress, which is far further than Duolingo in 18 months, regardless of homework, no tests - and eventually everyone will have to take a B1 exam anyway. B1 is required by the state, so I expected most people would have a slightly higher level of motivation, but people are of a much wider range of skill than I've previously experienced in a class and some of far less motivation.