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Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday January 08, 2024 @01:53PM (#38916390)
Targeting civilians is not the same as collateral damage.

The US doesn't target civilians- that's a war crime.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by charred_patina on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:17PM (#38916701)
States invent a legal framework that they can use to differentiate their civilian casualties from the civilian casualties of other groups they refuse to acknowledge.

That is what I mean by the state monopoly on violence. You can't legally beat your neighbor. A cop can. You can't shoot protestors, a national guardsmen may be able to.

The state devises a legal framework to justify its violence. Operating within this framework is designated as "peacekeeping action" or "law enforcement". Operating outside of it becomes "violence". Even though the actions are the exact same. It's all just kind of arbitrary is my point.

Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by im3w1l on Monday January 08, 2024 @03:41PM (#38917791)
A tree is judged by its fruit and this framework has been extremely successful in creating a peaceful and prosperous world order.
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by charred_patina on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @02:38PM (#38930846)
Prosperous for some.
Re:"95% of container ships are now going around the Southern... by hef19898 on Monday January 08, 2024 @02:35PM (#38916922)
Didn't prevent anyone from targeted, strategic bombing of civilians starting in WW 2. Did get anyone anywhere.