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Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by PeterStuer on Saturday January 06, 2024 @02:27AM (#38889291)
This is because of the extreme subsidies air traffic receives. If it were not for these rail would be very competitive.
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by foofie on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:16AM (#38891181)
> This is because of the extreme subsidies air traffic receives.

I don't think so. Railway lines are the epitome of lost fund subsidies by the state. You need to build and maintain a new line for each direct connection you want to create. The construction cost of a railway line, let alone a line that supports high-speed rail, eclipses the cost of a brand new airport.

Once a railway line is in place, getting a train to travel from point A to B costs peanuts.

Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by porompompero on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:27AM (#38891236)
I have not hear this point before, please would you mind to elaborate, if possible with sources to share? Thanks.
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by rspoerri on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:39AM (#38891320)
Who subsidizes the air traffic?
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by maxwell22 on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:48AM (#38891389)
Tax payers. In Germany, airplane fuel is not taxed.

See this Greenpeace study (in German) about how much cheaper flying is than train rides and why:

https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen....

Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by testrun on Saturday January 06, 2024 @12:31PM (#38893313)
Not taxed does not mean it is subsidized. Subsidy is when money is paid by the government to the airlines.
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by somewhereoutth on Saturday January 06, 2024 @07:55PM (#38897228)
Tax on fuel reflects the externalities to the whole of society, and arguably it is not high enough.

So exempting tax (equivalently not charging for externalities) is indeed a subsidy, a transfer of wealth from government (and so society) to the airline operators.

Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way by azepoi on Saturday January 06, 2024 @09:42AM (#38891784)
Regional airports are usually subsidized by local governments to put them on the map. Also jet fuel could be taxes at à similar rate as gas/diesel