Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by PeterStuer on Saturday January 06, 2024 @02:27AM
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This is because of the extreme subsidies air traffic receives. If it were not for these rail would be very competitive.
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Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by foofie on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:16AM
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> This is because of the extreme subsidies air traffic receives.
I don't think so. Railway lines are the epitome of lost fund subsidies by the state. You need to build and maintain a new line for each direct connection you want to create. The construction cost of a railway line, let alone a line that supports high-speed rail, eclipses the cost of a brand new airport.
Once a railway line is in place, getting a train to travel from point A to B costs peanuts.
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by porompompero on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:27AM
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I have not hear this point before, please would you mind to elaborate, if possible with sources to share? Thanks.
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by rspoerri on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:39AM
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Who subsidizes the air traffic?
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by maxwell22 on Saturday January 06, 2024 @08:48AM
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Tax payers. In Germany, airplane fuel is not taxed.
See this Greenpeace study (in German) about how much cheaper flying is than train rides and why:
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/regional/nordrheinwestfalen....
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by testrun on Saturday January 06, 2024 @12:31PM
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Not taxed does not mean it is subsidized. Subsidy is when money is paid by the government to the airlines.
Re:In Europe, Trains Are Full, and More Are on the Way
by somewhereoutth on Saturday January 06, 2024 @07:55PM
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Tax on fuel reflects the externalities to the whole of society, and arguably it is not high enough.
So exempting tax (equivalently not charging for externalities) is indeed a subsidy, a transfer of wealth from government (and so society) to the airline operators.