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Re:Pg – UN vote shows how isolated we are from world opinion by G3rn0ti on Friday January 05, 2024 @04:58PM (#38885537)
> Israel controls the flow of goods and people, prevents Gazans from leaving the territory

Of course, Israel protects its border against a region that keeps sending assassins and rockets. You simply can not establish an open border if you want to control the smuggling of weapons and suicide bombers! That may create hardships for Gaza civilians working in Israel but you cannot blame Israel for that.

> for decades, the people of Gaza have been subject to apartheid

No. For decades Palestine‘s politics is driven by hatred of Jews and not love for their own children. Israelis would love to live in peace with their neighbors (and for some of them they do). But as long Palestinian politicians aim for the eradication of all Jews in the Middle East there can never be peace.

> „An estimated 10,000 Palestinian children have been held in military detention“

Because Hamas have strapped bomb belts around their children!

> we know this is absolutely false because this ethic cleansing predates the creation of Hamas.

„Ethnic cleansing“? Really? What do you think what Hamas would do to the Israeli people if it were successful in their aim to „destroy Israel“? If Israel wanted to „clean“ Gaza from Palestinian people they would have done air raids around the clock. Instead they sent ground forces to try to minimize civilian casualties. Unfortunately, it’s very difficult to target Hamas fighters if their hide in schools and hospitals …

> leads me to believe that you're not arguing in good faith

I think you make it yourself way too easy and chose to conveniently side with your perceived „underdog“ — while the underdog happens to be a wolf claiming to fight for freedom of the people of Palestine while in fact what they do is rob Gaza from any perspective of sustainable peace.

I am not saying you should uncritically endorse everything what the state of Israel does but you should be stepping back for a moment and reconsider your uncritical sympathy for the devil.

Re:Pg – UN vote shows how isolated we are from world opinion by text0404 on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:34PM (#38885955)
> you cannot blame Israel for that

yes, you can! Israel created and enforces the apartheid state that all Palestinians suffer under. again, you're ignoring history.

> For decades Palestine‘s politics is driven by hatred of Jews and not love for their own children

this is not a religious war. jews co-existed with muslims in palestine before israel existed. to reduce this entire conflict down to "Palestinians are so anti-semetic that they hate jews more than they love their own children" is truly insulting to not only the Palestinian people, but to the intelligence of whoever you spout this to. and AGAIN, complete ignorance of history.

> Israelis would love to live in peace with their neighbors

their "neighbors" are the people they're oppressing, whose people they are murdering, whose land they're stealing.

yes, ethnic cleansing. i'm sorry that you've been brainwashed with so much propaganda that you believe that every hospital in gaza in a hamas command center, but the rest of the world can easily see through this. see also: the UN vote.

israel _is_ doing raids around the clock. they've killed over 20,000 people.

> I think you make it yourself way too easy and chose to conveniently side with your perceived „underdog“

none of this is "easy" or "convenient". it's horrific to witness atrocities being committed daily, to experience anti-Arab racism, to be called a sympathizer with the devil for advocating for the lives of innocent civilians, and to worry that doing so can and will get you fired and blacklisted.

the "underdog" is Palestinians, not Hamas. your inability to separate the two is your own failure. i side with oppressed people and liberation movements, not settlers and colonial states.