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Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by wizzwizz4 on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @04:38PM (#38847466)
I don't see how this is surprising. The noise pattern in the first figure looks cat-like: I can see the ears, the head, the paws, the front half of the body… Having that “seemingly random pattern” to trace over would probably let me sketch a cat, something I can't normally do without a reference. (Though, the face is muddled and in the wrong place – almost like it's a cat collage – so I might only get the outline of a cat.)

This study's result is implied by the stronger result: “a neural network's notion of a category sometimes resembles members of the category”. I'm sure a competent sketch artist could yield similar or better results, being able to take advantage of peculiarities of the human visual system. (In fact, that might be a good follow-up study: I might claim it if nobody else does.)

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by falcolas on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @04:45PM (#38847534)
Maybe my brain's just odd... but I don't see the cat-like figure in the noise. I just see noise. There are a few edges, but nothing really cat-like to my mind.

My subconscious pattern recognition for faces and such has always been weak, fwiw.

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by ChatGTP on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @05:57PM (#38848226)
Same
Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by hytfyiv3j on Tuesday January 02, 2024 @11:34PM (#38850789)
If you actually went through with it, traced over that picture and posted it back to the thread that would be nice, as it seems not everyone can see it as clearly as you can.

Maybe even the original authors would appreciate it.

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by wizzwizz4 on Wednesday January 03, 2024 @12:18PM (#38856655)
https://0x0.st/H62J.ora This is not a permanent link, and it's not my server so please don't hammer it.

Well, it turns out I can't mouse-draw, even when I'm tracing, but I've given it a go. It's supposed to be a cat walking from the right to the left of the image. The first layer has a better head, and the second layer has a better front leg and ears. Note that my lines obscure the recognisable features, so you'll have to switch the layer off to see them.

I traced dark shapes in the first one, and light shapes in the second. If you compare with the flowers layer, regions I identified as “better” in each trace correspond to amplification of the flowers image: the "good" leg outline in the second (light) layer lines up with the (light) stem of the flower, etc.

Re:Images altered to trick machine vision can influence huma... by im3w1l on Tuesday January 09, 2024 @01:13PM (#38929652)
I took a look and my brain must be wired differently from yours because I don't really see it.