I think it comes up in at least some product reviews, but where it's glaringly obvious, it doesn't show up in the reviews because people purposely look for products that aren't like that. Buying a TV for my bedroom, one aspect of the search would include looking in the manual and seeing if has a suppressible standby light or checking for a non-aggressive standby light color.

An unrelated example is that, at Target stores in the US, there are these (paper) notebooks/journals/diaries that have writing on the front that label them as such. The designs are really nice, but the labels make it ugly - as many people who chose not to buy the product will say "why do I need it to say journal on the front? I know it's a journal" and "I don't want to use it as a journal... I want to use it as a cookbook!" In this way, the reviews self-select only for people who don't care about the labels.

They should really have antireviews where people can write why they didn't buy the product. It would give sellers some kind of signal that there's an issue with their product or its documentation causing people to avoid it.

> some kind of signal

Low sales is a signal. Also, they can hire a UX researcher.

I realize I wasn't clear about that - these notebooks are well-liked and have tons of positive reviews. There is no low sales signal, because people who don't care about the labels still buy the notebooks. It's that they're missing more sales from the people who don't buy them because of the ugly labels on the front. That would be the same with TVs, the only way a TV maker would really know is if they sold a "bedroom TV" and saw no one was buying it or it was getting a lot of returns for the LED indicators being too bright. Even then, if you have consumers who are cognizant of bright LEDs and can't find any information about it, it might still not be indicated in the sales that certain consumers don't want it.

Will they even know to hire a UX researcher?

But even then, as just a consumer, antireviews would be super helpful.

With a category rank by 'least bad'.

I imagine the signal they measure is AB test / throw crap at a wall type scale i.e. they trial lots of lines of product and scale-up and restock those doing great margin/numbers and drop those that don't. They don't care too much about subjective product picker's design opinions or user reviews - if it sells, it's stocked.

I also expect the demographic they are selling to are impulse buyer notebook neophytes. The lettered purpose on the front triggers those buyers. They buy the product and put it to one side, never to use it. Repeat buyers that care about the notebook design probably turn to specialist brands they multi-buy online.

They can compare sales figures with other notebook brands', if they buy some competitive intelligence or do some sleuthing. Opportunity cost of lost sales.

> one aspect of the search would include looking in the manual and seeing if has a suppressible standby light or checking for a non-aggressive standby light color

as if modern TVs had manuals or that was an information listed on any modern appliance manual

I'd love to hear from someone in the consumer electronics business to weigh in on how this happens. Who in the design chain wants LED lights on everything? Probably not engineering--it's more work for them. Probably not the business managers--it adds unnecessary cost to the product. Is it the industrial designers? Do they simply have to have LEDs all over everything? Is it just dogma that everyone follows/accepts: "You have to have an LED light!" How does it happen?

If I have to guess, support & engineering would be the main force behind LEDs.

For example, you have USB port in the bed base, and it does not charge the cellphone, so you call tech support. With LED, it's simple. LED on -> "verify the USB port is not bent or damaged, check your cable, check your cellphone"; LED off -> "verify bed is plugged in, verify outlet has power". Without it? Much harder, especially if you are talking over the phone to non-technical person who does not follow the instructions.

(I made a number of one-off home devices for my own use and there is almost always an indicator LED of some sort. Combined activity/power if I can make one, or at least a power one if it's impossible. Some of them are blue, because blue is a nice color and needs really low current to be visible)

The real questions are: why blue, and why so bright?

LED indicators are useful, but they should be red (which comes with the added benefits of being less expensive and drawing less power than blue ones), and shouldn't be bright enough to light the area around them.

the "why so bright" part is simple: given same current, blue is noticeably brighter. A 5 mA current will make passable red, but flashlight-level blue. If you are old-school designer who got used to red and green LEDs, all your blues would be super bright. I still worry when I see 2K or a 5K resistor next to a LED: "Wait, that's too much resistance and too little current, user is not going to see it... hm, which color is it? Are you sure it's that sensitive? Maybe decrease resistance a bit just to make sure you don't have to redo the PCBs?"

Which also means that blue LEDs draw _less_ power than red and green ones, for the same brightness. Thinking about this, this could be a one reason to use them in battery-backed devices.

The "less expensive" part may be was true in the past, but is bogus today: a random search shows $0.01468 for red[0] and $0.01572 for blue[1] in 10K quantity. 0.1 cent is not going to affect your final cost, unless you are into super-cheap devices.

[0] https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/beking-optoelectr...

[1] https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/beking-optoelectr...

If all of that is true, then I guess I'm just doomed to having to cut the blue LEDs out of the devices I buy forevermore? That's a bit depressing. I was hoping that this was the result of a fad that would eventually pass, eliminating a common irritation from my life.

Thermodynamics is into blue LEDs. ;p

Your only hope is the transition to post-LED technology.

Wonder if some of it is due to blue still being perceived as high tech. For people over a certain age, red was the default LED color for decades as may have become associated in the average person's mind with outdated technology.

I don't think you need someone in the industry. It is added because without a light people don't think it is working, and the bright blue lights are tiny any cheap, and adding a way o dim them or turn them off is more expensive.

Blue LEDs were a lot more expensive when they were first introduced than red, green, amber, etc. Putting blue LEDs on products was seen as premium or trendy, but by this point, they’re not as special, but they are still more expensive than other colors. White LEDs are typically blue LEDs with phosphor that is excited by the blue light so it emits white(-ish) light. White LEDs are often similarly priced to the blue LEDs they’re based on.

[product designer who’s designed in countless indicator LEDs on products based on the product requirements and also often ends up adding tape or funtack over the LEDs on products to avoid blinking in the bedroom]