Re:UK ISPs censoring Wikipedia
by petercooper on Saturday December 06, 2008 @03:38PM
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Make sure to scroll right down to the bottom. For most of the page it feels like it's just some transparent proxying - which sucks but is fair enough.. but at the bottom an actual example of censorship is shown - specifically for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer (probably because someone complained about the non-pornographic but contentious image on that page)
Re:UK ISPs censoring Wikipedia
by llimllib on Saturday December 06, 2008 @03:51PM
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Is there a more coherent definition of "pornographic" in UK law than there is in US law, or is it approximately the same "I know it when I see it" as we have?
The Act defines an indecent photograph broadly without defining the term "indecent"
It is possible for pornography to be considered indecent and not indecent in multiple cases - just because of the opinion of the judge and/or jury (where relevant).
On a personal level, I would consider "pornographic" to be something that's intended or designed to arouse sexually (in either a normal or perverted individual). Regarding the Virgin Killer cover, it appears to be a simple nude - no worse than paintings or sculptures of cherubs, though certainly contentious in our panic-driven culture.
Re:UK ISPs censoring Wikipedia
by cgranade on Sunday December 07, 2008 @05:12PM
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The Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) has openly admitted adding a URL from the Wikipedia domain to their blacklist [http://www.iwf.org.uk/media/news.249.htm]. From the IWF news release:
"The specific URL (individual webpage) was then added to the list provided to ISPs and other companies in the online sector to protect their customers from inadvertent exposure to a potentially illegal indecent image of a child."
Sounds like censorship to me, especially since the linked Wikimedia bug report lists instances of fake 404 pages being served in response to requests for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer.
Re:UK ISPs censoring Wikipedia
by sh1mmer on Saturday December 06, 2008 @08:40PM
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It seems like nothing is actually getting censored. Wikipedia was flagged as a possible source of child porn, probably because of the Virgin Killer's LP.
I would suspect the proxy the ISPs are routing the site through is to monitor the use and log the IPs of the individuals using it. That's pretty funny for wikipedia given the scale of use and it's search rankings.
I wonder what % of the UK broadband connections have been tracked now.
Re:UK ISPs censoring Wikipedia
by lyesit on Saturday December 06, 2008 @10:59PM
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------ Comment #16 From Gurch 2008-12-06 17:08:01 UTC -------
The transparent proxies have been put in place in order to allow the ISPs to
selectively censor Wikipedia pages.
Currently the pages [[Virgin Killer]] and [[Image:Virgin Killer.jpg]] are
censored for myself and users of the other UK ISPs mentioned. The technical
details vary; in my case, I get a fake 404 page.
Re:UK ISPs censoring Wikipedia
by jacquesm on Sunday December 07, 2008 @04:24PM
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It's great that you have people that watch over you in case you would consume the 'wrong' information... Now let's hope their definition of 'wrong' matches yours.
Is there anybody in the UK challenging this stuff ?
The Protection of Children Act 1978 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Children_Act_1978 ) says:
It is possible for pornography to be considered indecent and not indecent in multiple cases - just because of the opinion of the judge and/or jury (where relevant).On a personal level, I would consider "pornographic" to be something that's intended or designed to arouse sexually (in either a normal or perverted individual). Regarding the Virgin Killer cover, it appears to be a simple nude - no worse than paintings or sculptures of cherubs, though certainly contentious in our panic-driven culture.
Shame https://www.wikipedia.org doesn't work.
"The specific URL (individual webpage) was then added to the list provided to ISPs and other companies in the online sector to protect their customers from inadvertent exposure to a potentially illegal indecent image of a child."
Sounds like censorship to me, especially since the linked Wikimedia bug report lists instances of fake 404 pages being served in response to requests for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7770456.stm
I would suspect the proxy the ISPs are routing the site through is to monitor the use and log the IPs of the individuals using it. That's pretty funny for wikipedia given the scale of use and it's search rankings.
I wonder what % of the UK broadband connections have been tracked now.
The transparent proxies have been put in place in order to allow the ISPs to selectively censor Wikipedia pages.
Currently the pages [[Virgin Killer]] and [[Image:Virgin Killer.jpg]] are censored for myself and users of the other UK ISPs mentioned. The technical details vary; in my case, I get a fake 404 page.
Is there anybody in the UK challenging this stuff ?