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Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by hef19898 on Sunday December 31, 2023 @10:33AM (#38824708)
So, Ford's automotive engineers are untalented sobs? Bold claim.
Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday December 31, 2023 @11:13AM (#38825032)
I haven’t worked at Ford, but I have at Chrysler and GM.

Slobs, no. Specialized to a degree you can’t imagine, yes.

Tesla hires PHDs, normal OEs will hire kids out of a few MI or IL schools, train them, and then put them in 200 person teams.

There is a guy that does nothing but dog light mounting on 4 models of vehicles.

That is not how Tesla works.

Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by hef19898 on Sunday December 31, 2023 @11:17AM (#38825076)
Got it, all those automotive engineering PhDs were unemployed before Tesla showed up. And given bad Tesla's buold quality is, maybe Tesla should have all thise specialized teams as well.

But yes, this hyperspecialization is the main reason I didn't fo to automotive. Benefit of mounting the same light so, the guy doesn't mount it in a way that doesn't light the intended area or causes cable fires.

Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday December 31, 2023 @02:20PM (#38826679)
From what I understand, the PHDs and really smart people at Tesla working on vehicles - had never worked on vehicles before.

People at OEs made fun of them for this. For awhile.

Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by hef19898 on Sunday December 31, 2023 @02:38PM (#38826853)
Considering that

- Tesla almost went under due attempted over-automation

- Tesla had to resort to rework cars in tents after they left the assembly line with serious quality issues

- Teslas are among the worst built cars according to technical inspection numbers

- Tesla installed touchscreens not rated for environment or use case

- Tesal still has reliably figured out how to install hod and trunks

- Tesla still doesn't know how to keep water out of the interior of their cars

I am inclined to say those PhDs were right. Not that redicule is something to level against your competition, but hiring PhDs to built cars who never did so is just a bad idea.

Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by SV_BubbleTime on Sunday December 31, 2023 @05:36PM (#38828131)
I see your text. But your points do not seem to be that of someone that wants Tesla to make a better vehicle. This seems more ideological to me.
Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by hef19898 on Sunday December 31, 2023 @06:31PM (#38828420)
I have a serious problem with bad engineering being promoted, yes.

And believe it or not, I want Tesla to make good cars that don't pose a hazard for various reasons. And I think one of the sadest things about Tesla is all the stupid, ignorant mistakes they made, all easily avoidable. Just image where they could be now, if it wasn't for all those sheninigans. I hate to see it, when people and companies blow opportunities that are once in a, heck multiple, lifetimes.

Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by LargeTomato on Sunday December 31, 2023 @12:57PM (#38826007)
There's a gap between extremely talented and whatever Ford does. It's like comparing IBM and Open AI. IBM is full of smart people but we're kidding ourselves by drawing an equivalence.
Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by hef19898 on Sunday December 31, 2023 @04:12PM (#38827563)
True. One is a sustainable company employing thousands of people, the other is a hyped company kept alive by investor money with dysfunctional leadership.
Re:You're Supposed to Be Glad Your Tesla Is a Brittle Heap o... by LargeTomato on Monday January 01, 2024 @05:14AM (#38830868)
Agreed 100%.