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Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by ekianjo on Sunday December 31, 2023 @10:09AM (#38824533)
Not every gamer wants an esport experience to have fun
Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by aseipp on Sunday December 31, 2023 @12:00PM (#38825453)
There's nothing "esports" about wanting to avoid wallhacks/aimbots in games like Tarkov, Rust, or Destiny, which completely ruin the entire game for every player in the lobby in an instant. It has nothing to do with "esports" and everything to do with actually being able to play the game. Do you also think it's because of "esports" when you're forbidden from cheating at a game of chess in person? When my friend plays Rust and gets upset because a flying aimbot hacker raids his base, gets banned, and comes back 1 hour later (buying a hot key off some shady 3rd party site), is he thinking "Damn, esports is really ruining this game"? No. The players are expected to fundamentally abide by the same rules. That's what a game is.

Realistically these days with how expensive most of these games are to run and make, if you do not keep cheaters away it can tank the entire project, e.g. Cycle: The Frontier basically had to shut down because they couldn't keep cheaters at bay, in a system that heavily relies on player count to remain healthy and fun. Once the cheating gets bad enough, people stop playing the game, which leads to a death spiral: it starts with bad queue times, which leads to people playing other games, and that spiral further diminishes the playerbase beyond a point of no return. Cycle barely made it 12 months and the result was a multi-million dollar project getting flushed down the drain.

Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by steveklabnik on Sunday December 31, 2023 @12:13PM (#38825556)
RIP to the Cycle. It deserved better.

I am glad that Bungie is going with fog of war for Marathon. And heck, given the features Marathon is getting, maybe someday Destiny can have those nice things too. We'll see...

Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by earthling8118 on Sunday December 31, 2023 @12:53PM (#38825966)
A kernel level invasion of privacy is required to stop flying players? That doesn't sound right to me. Not to mention that apparently it isn't working if your friend is witnessing it.

So players of those games are sacrificing privacy for no security at all by the sounds of it.

Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by Wytwwww on Sunday December 31, 2023 @10:36AM (#38824735)
I assumed that cheating is way more widespread amongst multiplayer gamers? There is a lot less anonymity in esports and if you get caught and blacklisted.. well you just wasted thousands or tens of thousands of hours.

It's pretty hard to have fun when the server is full of cheaters.

Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by barbariangrunge on Sunday December 31, 2023 @12:13PM (#38825559)
Cheating in single player is sort of like modding
Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by diggan on Sunday December 31, 2023 @10:42AM (#38824779)
> I assumed that cheating is way more widespread amongst multiplayer gamers?

I mean, hard to call cheating in a multiplayer game the same as cheating in a singleplayer game. The former ruins the experience of others, the latter just affects your own session. Hard to be against cheating in a singleplayer context.

Re:I forked SteamOS for my living room PC by Wytwwww on Sunday December 31, 2023 @01:00PM (#38826031)
I was thinking about casual and professional online gamers (yet somehow managed to leave out a word in comment...). Of course "cheating" in single player games isn't even a real thing