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Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by tentacleuno on Saturday December 30, 2023 @11:24PM (#38821792)
> [...] but that also speaks for how hard evaluating search quality is.

Would you be able to share some of your personal highlights regarding this?

I've partially kept up-to-date with the DIY, non-corporate search space (YaCY and friends). I'd love to understand a bit more behind the engineering decisions made when creating a search engine; it seems like a very hard problem to solve.

P.S. Marginalia is a very impressive piece of work, overall -- I've heard nothing but positive remarks from users on here. I've been meaning to try it for a while, but time constraints have... well, constrained, thus far.

Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by marginalia_nu on Saturday December 30, 2023 @11:37PM (#38821854)
Honestly I understand it well enough that I see it is surprisingly hard, but not enough to have good solutions...
Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by golol on Sunday December 31, 2023 @12:34AM (#38822068)
I just tested Mariginalia and it was completely unable to lead me to a Wikipedia or imdb page when searching for "driver ryan gosling" and variations. It just listed lots of random articles.
Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by wisemang on Sunday December 31, 2023 @01:04AM (#38822179)
That.. is kind of the point of this particular search engine.

> This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed.

Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by golol on Sunday December 31, 2023 @02:55AM (#38822528)
Well that makes sense, but I wanted to push against the result that the OP seems to take away from their test, which was that Marginalia seems to work well for the common user.
Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by marginalia_nu on Sunday December 31, 2023 @07:24AM (#38823584)
There's also a known bug with Wikipedia in particular, I do index it but the results are never ranked particularly high. I haven't fixed it because I don't want Wikipedia to be the #1 result for every search. Feels like most people are aware of Wikipedia and don't need help finding it.
Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by lbalazscs on Sunday December 31, 2023 @08:21AM (#38823858)
I often do a Google search, and then go directly to the Wikipedia result. My reasoning is that during the initial search, I don't know if there's a Wikipedia page about that topic, and I might need a fallback option.
Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by strbean on Monday January 01, 2024 @12:19AM (#38829885)
Unless it's something related to medicine; then you have to explicitly add "wiki" to the query. Some public health thing to discourage hypochondriacs I guess, but it's very annoying.
Re:Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT by treetalker on Sunday December 31, 2023 @09:50AM (#38824409)
Thanks for your work!

I have a suggestion for the “About” section at the top of Marginalia’s landing page. I think it would read better like this:

> This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of [instead] of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed.

Showing one thing “in favor of” another seems contradictory in this case.