Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI

Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by fallingknife on Saturday December 30, 2023 @08:16AM (#38815051)

This is not about copyright. Think about it. Would you ever actually use generative AI to pirate something when you could just torrent it? While there may be an argument that generative AI is infringing copyright, it is not really a very good tool for it. And there is a worldwide piracy industry already causing much more financial damage due to infringement.

This is really about replacement. The copyright holders in the content industry aren't really afraid of LLMs infringing on past copyright, but are terrified of it replacing them on future work, and there is absolutely no legal protection from this. The lawsuit might officially be about copyright, but that's just because it is their only available legal angle of attack.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by MOARDONGZPLZ on Saturday December 30, 2023 @08:30AM (#38815121)

> Would you ever actually use generative AI to pirate something when you could just torrent it? While there may be an argument that generative AI is infringing copyright, it is not really a very good tool for it.

How do you square this with literally the first image in the OP showing side by side GPT reproing copyrighted work? imo a good modern art project would be someone making a website that “archives” NYT articles by laundering them through GPT rather than using the archive link that everyone posts to get around the paywall. Even HN guidelines bend over backwards to allow bypassing the paywall by allowing these links.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by fallingknife on Saturday December 30, 2023 @08:53AM (#38815274)

Here is a picture of Darth Vader: https://lumiere-a.akamaihd.net/v1/images/darth-vader-main_45...

Please show me a prompt that reproduces it. Also to pass this test, it has to be just as easy as right clicking "download image"

The images in the article are done in reverse. They find a prompt that shows a copyrighted character and then search for the matching image. That's not how piracy is done.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by madamelic on Saturday December 30, 2023 @10:14AM (#38815824)

They are also being deceptive in my opinion. They should show their entire chat because if you take "animated sponge", it alone does not generate SpongeBob. The author almost certainly further prodded & guided the DALL-E to generate those images.

The author, I believe, is being purposefully deceptive and hoping people who don't use DALL-E see "animated sponge" generating a SpongeBob look-alike and think they should be burned.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by MOARDONGZPLZ on Saturday December 30, 2023 @01:36PM (#38817555)

Woah this is really moving the goalposts and is pretty disingenuous. When I responded to your prompt about GPT being bad at reproducing copyrighted material with a counter example where it appears to in fact be good at it, you tell me that I must reproduce a specific image as easily as “clicking download image.”

Not what I was arguing and you’re not going to win many arguments with anyone who is paying attending by coming out of left field with only tangentially related demands.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by fallingknife on Saturday December 30, 2023 @04:16PM (#38819240)

Because nobody wants generic random pieces of copyrighted material. They want a specific piece of copyrighted material and generative ai is terrible at producing that. It's you who is being intentionally obtuse in pretending not to know the actual goal of copyright infringement.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by beepbooptheory on Saturday December 30, 2023 @08:40AM (#38815180)

Even if this is right, its a shitty consolation. These llms aren't ever going to be an agent of greater democratic, every-man content creation or whatever, its just going to be the transfer of capital from one type of huge company to another. Not much of a future, even if it feels cool for a bit.

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Re:Things are about to get a lot worse for Generative AI by danielbln on Saturday December 30, 2023 @11:04AM (#38816245)

Open models are a thing though, how do those fit into things?

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