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Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by wolverine876 on Friday December 29, 2023 @11:02AM (#38806331)
> China has built four, one in just four years, in two roughly-parallel series. So the anti-nukes’ too-slow argument is bunk. But the pro-nuke team needs a learning curve barely demonstrated in another country to continue.

We have much more evidence of contruction being too slow (if that's what you mean); why is one example from the other side more convincing? Also, China is not directly comparable, being able to undemocratically externalize the welfare of residents, construction workers, and operators.

Also, the last sentence seems to agree that the evidence is weak ?

> the anti-nukes ... the pro-nuke

Maybe there are also people who just care about getting the best outcome, aren't on a team that has drawn a predetermined conclusion, and are working with the data.

Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 29, 2023 @11:08AM (#38806430)
> why is one example from the other side more convincing

Because it’s a Gen III+ design.

> the last sentence seems to agree that the evidence is weak

It’s a new design.

> people who just care about getting the best outcome, aren't on a team that has drawn a predetermined conclusion, and are working with the data

Very few people who have done this conclude we should go all in on a single solution. Nuclear, natural gas, solar and wind look like a solid mix.

Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by analognoise on Friday December 29, 2023 @11:36AM (#38806855)
Why do you need natural gas in that mix at all?
Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by peterfirefly on Friday December 29, 2023 @12:46PM (#38807866)
We don't need it -- or wind and solar -- if we have enough nuclear. We are very far from having enough nuclear.
Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by JumpCrisscross on Friday December 29, 2023 @11:36AM (#38806877)
> Why do you need natural gas in that mix at all?

It’s cleaner than the alternatives and has its distribution infrastructure already built. While waiting for more solar, or waiting for more solar and wind and nukes, those coal and oil plants are still burning.

Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by laszlojamf on Friday December 29, 2023 @03:45PM (#38810012)
I think the parent was thinking of the US. There, natural gas is an abundant predictable, and cheap base energy source. Not so much in Europe. In Sweden the mix is nuclear, water, and the rest, but we're still suffering from the rest of Europe not having a cheap base alternative, since the markets are interconnected. Europe would _love_ to have it's own natural gas source right about now.
Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by peterfirefly on Friday December 29, 2023 @05:12PM (#38810864)
> Europe would _love_ to have it's own natural gas source right about now.

And yet... the Netherlands closed down the Groningen gas field because the green voters wanted it and because they showed a few slightly cracked walls on a few houses on TV and claimed it was because of the gas field (and not because of shoddy foundations and poor construction).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groningen_gas_field

We also could have been doing fracking on land. Maybe in the future?

https://www.investigate-europe.eu/posts/europes-energy-crisi...

(2.9 on the Richter scale isn't much.)

And the biggest Danish gas field in the North Sea is still down due to the old off-shore facilities being scrapped and new ones being built. This is done by TotalEnergies and should have been completed more than a year ago. It was delayed by Covid-19 but should then have been completed by summer this year. It is still not complete :(

High expectations from TotalEnergies: https://totalenergies.com/projects/gas/tyra-major-offshore-p...

Danish realities: https://energinet.dk/gas/forsyningssikkerhed/tyra/

The last platform was only put in place in October 2022 (and there was still lots of work to do): https://energiwatch.dk/Energinyt/Olie___Gas/article14460490....

Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by pydry on Saturday December 30, 2023 @05:12AM (#38814064)
>Because it’s a Gen III+ design.

That doesn't exist yet.

>It’s a new design.

Which doesn't exist yet.

Vaporware is always cheaper.

Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by JumpCrisscross on Sunday December 31, 2023 @01:15AM (#38822221)
> doesn't exist yet

Yes, it does. Per the original comment. AP1000s have been built and are generating power.

Re:Nuclear Power Gets New Push in U.S., Winning Converts (2022) by mpweiher on Friday December 29, 2023 @06:05PM (#38811280)
China builds 80% of the world's solar panels and 60% of the world's wind turbines.