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Re:Google Voice goes US only by zamadatix on Friday December 29, 2023 @09:31AM (#38805287)
A couple of years after Google Voice split out from Hangouts and, while there were plenty of VOIP options, they all sucked for use as a personal number (even Google Voice kind of did to be honest). The latencies for ringing, not being accepted at ever more places, the weird connection quality and delay issues, one way audio issues, and so on were just so rampant compared to a "traditional" (now also really just data, but more integrated into the transport system) number. Also so many places started to block the use of VOIP numbers it was becoming hard to use the number anyways. If they hadn't already there was no guarantee it'd still be a valid option 3 months later. Maybe there is some whizz bang new VOIP service that actually kicks ass in all of these marks and someone will recommend it but even if they did I'd have more expectation it's a false positive report than a real positive.

If privacy/secrecy via obfuscation is your #1 criteria and not a nice to have then I'd just go with an enterprise cloud VOIP solution like RingCentral because they'll have real support and it's their core (and very successful) business, not another something that'll disappear in 2 years anyways.

If privacy/secrecy via obfuscation was just a nice to have and you really liked it for having the web interface then RingCentral (and I'm sure others) have a PWA and you can still go that route or you can try a sync tool like Beeper. I went the latter route as it gave a significantly better call/texting delay and quality experience to give up the obfuscation but the other cost is your phone has to be connected to the internet for the messages to relay through Beeper.

Re:Google Voice goes US only by 1oooqooq on Friday December 29, 2023 @09:37AM (#38805369)
google didn't split from hangouts. It got merged into hangouts (and both apps existed) because some PM bonus was tied to hangout active users or something. Same reason you automatically logged into a gmail-plugin-hangouts client when you opened gmail by default.

They just undid that shenanigans after the PM got his bonus. Maybe by then their bonus was tied to simplifying the tech stack :)

edit:

> If privacy/secrecy via obfuscation is your #1 criteria

lol, no. the only usecase for gvoice and the likes is to have a fixed phone number without a montly bill that you can use to make international phone calls for business. or to receive calls when abroad.

Nobody who cares about privacy etc (or any quality of network protocol for that matter) would care about gsm and sms. at all. it's mostly for cheap convenience.

Re:Google Voice goes US only by cj on Friday December 29, 2023 @09:51AM (#38805542)
(Bracing for the downvotes) As an end user, looks like the bonuses resulted in a pretty good UX.

I love having Mail, Meet, Voice, and Chat in a single web app. (The Gmail app now also has Meet and Chat all-in-one, but Voice has its own app)

I can definitely see how merging the services would boost MAU/DAU, but in this case it seems like increasing DAU means you’re making it easier for users to access + use the service, which is a win win.

Re:Google Voice goes US only by zamadatix on Friday December 29, 2023 @04:09PM (#38810222)
Argue it split or merged til the cows come home, that PM bonus should have been 10x as much recurring if that's what caused it to be. Hangouts was years ahead of its time in functionality to the user - I could SMS/MMS, call, IM and video/voice chat all from the same interface on web or app on any of my devices without a dependency on any of them. If the offering were still available today I'd go back in a heartbeat - it was glorious.

> lol, no. the only usecase for gvoice and the likes is to have a fixed phone number without a montly bill that you can use to make international phone calls for business. or to receive calls when abroad.

Please ignore assuming meaning of a term so you can laugh at me in response. It was actually quite handy to pass out VOIP numbers for interviews, sign up forms, and the like because they could never tie back to reaching me once I stopped the forwarding. I realize that is different than worrying about government actors tracking you via standard telephony but you should realize there is more than that specific interpretation of the term, especially when GP named the same use case I just mentioned.

Re:Google Voice goes US only by angryasian on Friday December 29, 2023 @05:09PM (#38810843)
I've been a user since grand central and held on to my same number since. At a time when carriers were still competitive, it was great for switching to whatever company were offering the best incentives and not having to worry about telling everyone your new number. Porting numbers sort of resolved this, but I still don't have to worry about it since I only use my GV number.

GV provided online text messages and voice mail before everyone else. GV also allows you to add multiple lines to the same number. At one point I lost my phone and was still able to receive and make calls from the web and my SO's phone.

Its used for a lot more