Re:Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, rep...
by smsm42 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:54PM
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> Some people are certainly implying support for genocide when they say "from the river to the sea", while others are not.
Nope, every single one. There's as much possibility to endorse this slogan and not imply Jewish genocide as there is to see a person wearing a nazi uniform, with a swastika armband, waving a swastika flag, and screaming "kill the jews!" and find out he's not actually endorsing a genocide of the Jews. That is, vanishingly small. If you say this slogan, this is exactly what it means, no ifs, no buts, no coconuts - destroying the population of Israel. Now, there are probably idiots that chant this without even knowing what "river", "sea" and "Palestine", or any other word of it, actually means, and won't be able to point it on the map if promised a million dollar to do just that. But that doesn't mean the meaning of it changes - it just means some idiots are chanting evil things without realizing it, just as if they were chanting "Sieg Heil".
> I don't think we want corporations or governments making those judgments.
Dude, we're so far from where it even was the question we can no longer see it in the back window even using a telescope. Corporations and governments are making these decisions every day now, it's kinda late to notice it a decade after it already happened. I mean sure, I'd be glad to be back to non-censorship days of yore, but it's kinda weird to remember about it only when it's about discussing calls for genocide. Maybe if people cared about it earlier, we could actually have a non-censorship present and future, but right now it doesn't look like we can anymore.
> The only sane place to draw the line imo is at explicit support for hatred or violence.
If there's any meaning in words "hatred" and "violence", "from the river to the sea" is wholeheartedly supporting both and there's probably not many slogans that are more hateful and violent than that towards millions of people. It literally calls for wiping out at least 7 millions of people (that assuming Arab population of Israel would be spared, which is not a given - Hamas was as willing to murder non-Jews as Jews on October 7, just because they found them on Israeli territory, nobody did a DNA test there). That's kinda hard to beat.
Nope, every single one. There's as much possibility to endorse this slogan and not imply Jewish genocide as there is to see a person wearing a nazi uniform, with a swastika armband, waving a swastika flag, and screaming "kill the jews!" and find out he's not actually endorsing a genocide of the Jews. That is, vanishingly small. If you say this slogan, this is exactly what it means, no ifs, no buts, no coconuts - destroying the population of Israel. Now, there are probably idiots that chant this without even knowing what "river", "sea" and "Palestine", or any other word of it, actually means, and won't be able to point it on the map if promised a million dollar to do just that. But that doesn't mean the meaning of it changes - it just means some idiots are chanting evil things without realizing it, just as if they were chanting "Sieg Heil".
> I don't think we want corporations or governments making those judgments.
Dude, we're so far from where it even was the question we can no longer see it in the back window even using a telescope. Corporations and governments are making these decisions every day now, it's kinda late to notice it a decade after it already happened. I mean sure, I'd be glad to be back to non-censorship days of yore, but it's kinda weird to remember about it only when it's about discussing calls for genocide. Maybe if people cared about it earlier, we could actually have a non-censorship present and future, but right now it doesn't look like we can anymore.
> The only sane place to draw the line imo is at explicit support for hatred or violence.
If there's any meaning in words "hatred" and "violence", "from the river to the sea" is wholeheartedly supporting both and there's probably not many slogans that are more hateful and violent than that towards millions of people. It literally calls for wiping out at least 7 millions of people (that assuming Arab population of Israel would be spared, which is not a given - Hamas was as willing to murder non-Jews as Jews on October 7, just because they found them on Israeli territory, nobody did a DNA test there). That's kinda hard to beat.