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Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by stock_toaster on Sunday April 22, 2012 @03:37AM (#3874266)

  > The short version: Ubuntu 12.04 is the best release they’ve ever had and 
  > absolutely blows the upcoming releases of Windows and MacOS X out of the
  > water in just about every way that matters.
The second half of that statement may be a touch hyperbolic.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by demetris on Sunday April 22, 2012 @07:42AM (#3874603)
It says more about the quality of the review than about the relative merits of the 3 systems.

These things are simple: If Ubuntu were so much better, or just plain better, than other operating systems, more people would use it.

Firefox is, and has been for a long time, much better than IE, and so people use it.

OpenOffice/LibreOffice is not better than Microsoft Office, and so people don’t prefer it over Microsoft Office.

Ubuntu is not better than Windows or OS X, and so very few people prefer it.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by bho on Sunday April 22, 2012 @08:39AM (#3874685)
The cost of switching is a high barrier for many people.

Changing from Windows to Ubuntu requires you to find equivalents for all of the software you need.

Changing from your browser -> Firefox = most websites will still work, no additional effort on anyone.

Changing from Microsoft Office to OpenOffice forces you to ensure all the documents open correctly and others can open yours correctly.

It's not always so black and white.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by demetris on Sunday April 22, 2012 @12:02PM (#3875150)
“Changing from your browser -> Firefox = most websites will still work, no additional effort on anyone.”

Now.

When Firefox v1.0 was released in 2004, 8 years ago, that was not so, and early adopters who were thinking about recommending Firefox had to consider two important issues:

First, compatibility.

Second, the fact that the idea that you would install a third-party program to browse the web seemed strange, even pointless, to people.

Yet, Firefox was so good already by that time, and it held so much promise, that those who already knew about it did recommend it. As a result, within one year it had 15% market share—an impressive achievement—, and webmasters had to start doing something about browsers that were not Internet Explorer. Today the compatibility problems are largely confined within intranets, and the idea that you would need one particular browser to browse the web seems strange.

Let’s compare that with where desktop Linux is today. What is the promise it helds? Which are its redeeming virtues that would make me and you recommend it to other people?

I have Linux installed on my auxiliary desktop system since 2004 — either Ubuntu or Debian Sid. The main issue that prevented me from switching when I was more enthusiastic was this:

I like to have two sound cards on my desktop systems: The on-board one, which I don’t care about, and a good one with a good DAC. The music I listen to is fed to the good card, which then feeds the amplifier. All other sound generated by the system goes to the on-board card. In 2004, and also in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, there was only one—I repeat, one—audio player that allowed you to select a non-default sound card for its output and at the same time met some basic requirements like proper gapless playback and good UTF-8 support. That was Quod Libet. The option was not exposed in Quod Libet’s GUI; you had to search for it, and then pass it to the program as a command-line argument. But at least there was one program that supported this simple thing. However there was another issue: Because of a bug in ALSA or the kernel (don’t remember which any more) the sound devices of the system were enumerated at random upon booting, with the result that 50% of the times the audo player had the wrong card selected upon starting! :-) So, after some time I got tired of struggling with the system in order to listen to music and abandoned the idea that I would use Linux as my main desktop system. I don’t know how much better things are today, but I would not be surprised if such problems remain.

I still use Linux today but only on my auxiliary desktop system (Debian Sid). I also use Debian on my laptop for a simple reason: I use the laptop for about 5 to 10 hours a week for a narrower set of tasks, and the high maintenance requirements of Windows seem to me too much for that. Debian, even Debian Sid with its occasional hiccups, is MUCH easier to maintain.

Now, one could say that the one issue I say prevented me from switching to desktop Linux is an edge case. It may be. But I am afraid it is only one of the many edge cases that are frought with problems on desktop Linux. Desktop Linux in my eyes is a heap of edge case problems. Not everyone is affected by every problem, by everyone is bound to hit upon a serious one at some time or other. The two exceptions I know are folks who use their machines mainly for developing for the vibrant Linux web ecosystem, and folks who need their desktop/laptop systems for a narrow set of basic tasks.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by eslachance on Sunday April 22, 2012 @11:15PM (#3877039)
This is precisely the reason why Linux hasn't stuck on me, even though I've tried multiple times to use it. Every time, on different systems, there was something off. Sometimes the sound card that wasn't properly supported, other times the video card (ATI at the time) had big issues with secondary monitors, other times it was my low-end, weird brand WiFi card. It's never "Just Worked" and, even though the exact same happened with Windows at one point or another, the fix is generally simple with Windows (locate the manufacturer, download the driver for your Windows, works with any decent age hardware), wheras it's harder with Linux (google it, find half a dozen possible solutions, download one driver which installs 30 dependencies and breaks your system, try another driver which completely prevents the OS from booting, give up and reinstall Windows).

And then, there's the Software & Games issues... but that's a story for another day.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by dhughes on Sunday April 22, 2012 @11:15AM (#3875008)
I agree but some people still see Internet Explorer as "the Internet" and I would say can't fathom how you use other browsers.

Those same people may also believe Windows is what a computer is.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by bigphishy on Sunday April 22, 2012 @06:50PM (#3876407)
I couldn't have said that better myself.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by chrisveto on Sunday April 22, 2012 @10:17AM (#3874876)
I agree with batista, if OS has no quality software .. then why on earth would I use that OS? Also, til Ubuntu can't support .PSD files with GIMP natively, I will never .. ever use it. And no, I do not want to use Wine emulator or whatever the hell you gotta do to get stuff working under Ubuntu.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by TazeTSchnitzel on Sunday April 22, 2012 @10:21AM (#3874887)
> I do not want to use Wine emulator or whatever the hell you gotta do to get stuff working under Ubuntu

Why don't you want to use it? Using Wine is as simple as double-clicking a Windows EXE and letting it install or run. It's no more difficult than using software on Windows (usually)

And sorry to nitpick, but WINE stands for "WINE Is Not an Emulator", because it isn't :)

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by ced on Sunday April 22, 2012 @12:12PM (#3875186)
I'm a long-time Ubuntu user, and I use Wine only when I absolutely have to, because it most definitely does not "just work". Case in point, GP was talking about Photoshop. This is from Wine's page for CS3:

First off: don't expect this to work well. Wine does not yet support Photoshop CS3. Only read these instructions if you feel like fiddling around, not if you expect to get a working Photoshop.

The other versions look in better shape, but still.

I am eternally grateful to the Humble Bundle folks for insisting on Linux support.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by TazeTSchnitzel on Sunday April 22, 2012 @05:58PM (#3876237)
Yeah, I've used Ubuntu myself for a while. I'm aware of Wine's problems, I meant that for smaller applications it usually works.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by batista on Sunday April 22, 2012 @08:50AM (#3874706)
>Changing from Windows to Ubuntu requires you to find equivalents for all of the software you need.

Yes, but that goes both ways. If Ubuntu lacks equivalents for all of the software you need, you cannot say that it's "better than the other OSs", i.e. software availability is a very important metric of "better" in an OS, even more important than the network stack being 5% faster, or the filesystem supporting more esoteric features etc.

So, it would be like saying "Ubuntu is better than OS X/Win if we exclude things that also matter a lot".

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by rbanffy on Sunday April 22, 2012 @08:21AM (#3874657)
> plain better, than other operating systems, more people would use it.

Desktop Linux is not for everyone. It all depends on what you use your computer for - if you write software for Mac or Windows or if you rely on perfect Office compatibility, it's most definitely not for you. If you run heavy software that has no Linux counterpart, it's obviously not for you. If you develop software that'll run on Linux, it's a really good choice. If you browse the web for everything, it's a great choice.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by cturner on Sunday April 22, 2012 @09:53AM (#3874818)
Firefox is an interesting example, because on little things it behaves differently in windows to linux. For example - double click the address bar in Windows - highlights a token. Do it in linux, highlights the whole link.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by ditoa on Sunday April 22, 2012 @01:09PM (#3875385)
Yeah Fx is annoying with its inconsistent defaults between platforms. The one you mention is because browser.urlbar.clickSelectsAll is set to true on Windows but False on Linux. Why I have no idea!
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by onli on Sunday April 22, 2012 @04:12PM (#3875927)
I can't know for sure that it is intended because of this, but it is a good default for linux because of the way copy & paste works. Not to select the whole link enables you to copy something by selecting it, change the url, go to that page and insert the prior copied text with the middle mouse button. The windows-setting is wrong in that context, disabling that workflow, even though it's inconsistent between platforms. Sometimes that's a good thing.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by dhughes on Sunday April 22, 2012 @11:22AM (#3875028)
That inconsistency bugs me.

I believe on OS X it does the same thing as Windows.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by bigphishy on Sunday April 22, 2012 @06:48PM (#3876403)
Firefox has also been out a long time.

When FF was in beta versions it was already a better browser than IE, but nearly no one knew of it, therefore FF had a small number of users. As awareness of FF grew, so did its popularity.

It is silly to judge the quality of a product or service by the number of people that use it.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by frodowiz on Friday April 27, 2012 @09:06PM (#3901686)
sure and the fact microsoft ties you into a lifelong comittment with licenses(break one and you still owe money) has nothing to do with it. dude, ive been hearing bunk like this for years and in the meantime linux is growing like weeds. you need to be glad no real way of measuring linux growth numbers exists. it would be very painful im sure. ms is dying and must find another venue soon. in the mean time, let me know when you are ready to be free, ill direct you to ubuntu's website.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by cobychapple on Sunday April 22, 2012 @07:51AM (#3874622)
When I read this article, I was open to hearing how this could be the case, but then I read:

"Working with Ubuntu 12.04 is quite simple and elegant… until you want to sit down and see what applications are available on your system."

Which sounds like it really doesn't blow anything out of the water. Then I also read:

"click the “Ubuntu” button in the top left, then click the little white icon on the bottom center that is, I assume, representative of “a comb, a pencil and a building with pacman on it”. Then you expand the “Installed” section by clicking on the left/center of the screen. Then you click on “Filter Results” in the top right."

WAT? That's the complete opposite of a well-thought-out experience for the user.

So why is it that this GUI environment is superior again?

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by SkyMarshal on Sunday April 22, 2012 @01:02PM (#3875361)
He's not the best writer. The point he meant to get across is that that's a nitpick, not a huge problem, but he spends several paragraphs explaining the problem and only a few sentences explaining that it's just a minor nitpick and overall the experience is good. Totally out of proportion, leading readers to weight the bad more than he intended.

Key phrases:

> In short: It’s fast. Stable. And generally a pleasure to use.

> In fact, this is my only big gripe with the Unity interface. And it’s not a big one. I’m nit-picking here.

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by viraptor on Sunday April 22, 2012 @04:32PM (#3875978)
Criticism takes more space and attention than good things. When you like something, you just do. Maybe there are a couple of things that you really really like and you can write about them.

On the other hand things that don't work as you expect have some story to it - why don't you like them, what else did you expect, who does it properly, how is it affecting your workflow, how much you dislike that problem. I expect things like that to affect most reviews...

Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by bostonvaulter2 on Sunday April 22, 2012 @09:43AM (#3874791)
Yeah, it is really weird for him to open a positive review with that.
Re:Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you’re looking for. by feiern on Sunday April 22, 2012 @06:23AM (#3874489)
It really seems to be a great release, but that second half clearly shows that kool aid comes in different flavors, not just apples :D