Women under 30 from wealthy countries definitely care.

I'm 38 but date girls in their 20s. I would say that every single girl I've talked to has at one point mentioned/joked that I use an android.

You can make of that what you will based on your world view. In my opinion, it is absolutely a slight negative to overcome. Tall +10 points. Fun cool car +5 points. Android -3 points.

This weighting is off. Tall +1000 Cool car 1 Android -5 off the tall points. Need those first.

Hah fine fine. But actually since she sees the android usually before the cool car (unless you literally post it), the android will hurt you before she ever gets to see the car.

The truth is, once the newness wears off, even when you're tall, the android will be used against you eventually by most women.

Why is this downvoted? LGTM -- looks good to me.

Have you considered that the problem is not which phone you choose to use, but the type of women you choose to date?

I’m 2 years older than you, and it is frankly astounding and depressing that in your description of how women “view you”, it’s all superficial and materialistic factors.

Maybe if you dated women who care more about your personality and less about what brand phone you use, you’d have more fulfilling relationships?

It is not that simple.

There have been studies that showed that women appreciation of men change when getting clues about the men wealth. That small, going bald 45y old guy will be considered unattractive without any clue. Mentionning he is a reputable dentist living in a fancy area he becomes charming or even cute. The younger and more athletic guy who was topping the chart will go down severly we it is mentionned he work as a car mechanic.

And it is the same with men with other factors. Men will have a hard time engaging with women that can present too smart and will often "target" women that act in a way that make you think their intellectual capabilities are lower.

And both men and women play with those when interacting with strangers of the opposite gender.

It is only with time spent with people that we overcome some of these basic signals and preconceptions about people, reason why we very often end up having long relationship with people we don't meet randomly in a dancefloor, dating app but rather colleagues/ex-colleagues, business partners, friends of relatives with which we interact a number of times before actually start dating.

> There have been studies that showed that women appreciation of men change when getting clues about the men wealth.

Very true. Who can forget that groundbreaking study[1] conducted by Kanye West nearly two decades ago?

1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Digger_(Kanye_West_song...

You're 40. Unless you're also dating 30 and below, it's very possible you've completely missed the generation that started dating on social media, dating apps once they went mainstream (although I started on sparkmatch!), and texted constantly in the getting to know you phase.

I hate to be the one to break it to you mate but being overly concerned with superficial and material things isn't some new phenomenon created by smart phones or social media.

Its not a new phenomenon but Im sure it was exacerbated by it.

Agreed. Making your users appear obnoxious to adjacent non-users is a marketing strategy that only works if you're Apple-sized, and being Apple-sized is a new phenomenon.

To be fair, based on the comments here Android users seem to be pretty good at being obnoxious all on their own. Like the one guy who swears up and down iMessage creates incels.

Yeah, but that guy is going above and beyond. Even just using iMessage as intended with a group of Android users causes you to inject superfluous noise into the chat.

The whole point of having reactions as a separate thing from messages is that they don't distract from the conversation. Sending "X Liked: 'Y'" to every Android user for every iMessage user who likes something makes the iPeople look like a bunch of buffoons who don't know how to read the room and want everybody to know that they have an iPhone, when actually they're just trying to communicate.

Apple is savvy enough to have avoided that situation if they wanted to, so you gotta conclude that it's part of the plan.

Neither Apple nor Google have a vested interest in providing a good experience with SMS/MMS/RCS. Google leadership failed to create a popular messaging platform so now they're trying to compete with FUD.

For instance, tapbacks (from Android users even) come through as foo liked bar on Google Voice. You gotta conclude that it's part of the plan.

Great, you're arguing against your own point from earlier. Except, yes, people seem even MORE superficial when they know their partner choice is going to be blasted to everyone they have ever known.

No I'm not?

Superficial/materialistic people existed before smart phones existed. Then, just as now, the key is to avoid dating people who care more about what you have than who you are.

To be honest, you sound a lot like the retired old white boys who move to Thailand, use their relative wealth to attract a young woman, and then spend the next 30 years complaining to anyone who will listen how "Thai women are only interested in your wallet".

I'm not complaining about anything. I'm just describing what I see. Maybe it's because I'm in California and they're simply heavily skewed towards a certain style..

You're saying materialistic women always existed. Sure. And I'm arguing the women raised under social media are even more materialistic about visible things than women 20-30 years ago. If you don't think that a girls entire lifelong social circle being able to see glimpses into her and her bfs financial expenditures (cars, restaurant quality, vacations, clothes) and their quality and frequency of purchase makes women more image conscious, then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I think women care more about indicators of casual spending ability than they ever did, and the wrong color texting dot is an easy constant reminder of "this guy is a bit cheap" to them.

I do just fine playing the cheap guy. Thank God I'm tall and ok looking. I drive a 2001 Silverado 4x4 Single Cab short bed on dates, and a Chevy volt day to day. They love the truck. They don't love the android. My Google pixel 4xl cost about half of what an iPhone did. My truck now costs $7k maybe since it's nice still. A new bmw costs $45-60k. So it's not just pure money.

I think in their mind using an android is like driving an old BORING car. It's not the cheapness or age, it's mostly the boring. They're probably wondering why I don't want to just fit in and have something nicer since it only costs $500 extra vs an android (even if that's not true always).

> Maybe it's because I'm in California and they're simply heavily skewed towards a certain style..

And I'm trying to tell you that it's because you're a late-30s man dating twenty-something year old girls you can "impress" with a car.

You're self-selecting for the type of personality you're "not complaining" about.

I think perhaps that says more about the kind of twentysomethings that are into dating guys in their 40s or late 30s than anything.

And yeah I've done the dating app thing and have friends in their 20s. One even whipped out her iPhone and promptly asked if I used Signal.

You have a veeeery skewed sample population there and probably shouldn’t be drawing too many conclusions from such a small minority.

Curious why you don't switch to iOS since it's obviously impeding a goal you have.

I never said what my goals were.

You might consider that you're touching upon your 40s and you've chosen to date people almost 20 years younger than you, so you're just talking about the kids these days and not the attitudes of the people closer in maturity. Only it's the kids these days you're sleeping with.

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