Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase

Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:42PM (#38687927)

Do you really think so? Ukraine received all the ammo in the world already, but they not really making progress anymore. How and what exactly will change in the upcoming future? I’m curious about concrete things, instead of just talking about that “they can not loose” etc. So far, the details are unclear to me.

If Russia attacks the EU or NATO, then we’ll need our weapons to fight them. I think there is ZERO chance that they do that. As NATO is just simply more powerful and Russia is not stupid. It would be called the 3rd WW.

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by ponector on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:41PM (#38688736)

Few dozens of modern tanks, few dozens of short range missiles. A dozen of aircrafts made in USSR.

Doesn't sound "all the ammo in the world" for me.

Yes, they received a lot of close range defensive weapons, but almost nothing offensive.

Regarding invasion to one country in NATO - why not? Other armies are extremely weak, with ammo depots for few weeks of active operation. And everybody are terrified to do any offensive because "crazy Russians have nukes and we need their oil and natural gas"

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @02:05AM (#38692730)

When a NATO country is invaded, the other countries in NATO will come and help out. Isn’t that how NATO works?

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by cmrdporcupine on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:42PM (#38688752)

Ukraine is eating through ammo (mainly 155mm howitzer shells from what I understand) because the war is in a WWI-style stalemate due to the lack of air superiority at the front from either side. All they can do is pound each other over and over again along the front line. There's no way to advance.

Likely if the west provided jets, this would change drastically.

I actually agree Russia is not stupid enough to engage in a direct attack on a NATO nation. They would likely move next against in Transnistria, Georgia, etc. And I don't see what would stop them, if they have success in Ukraine.

But they will engage in hybrid warfare against the west (already were), and they will be twice as emboldened if they are given Ukraine.

This is a country that felt free to unleash radioactive poisons against persons on UK soil, shoot down a civilian airliner, etc. Why do you want to appease them?

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by ponector on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:51PM (#38688875)

If west provided modern jets last year, if west provided long range missiles last year, and mainly: if Ukraine was allowed to use them against invader's military target on their soil - there would not be a stalemate now.

There are airports, ammo depots and other facilities less than 100 km from Ukrainian cities, and Russians are safe(mostly) there.

While at the same time Russians every day continuing their terrorist attacks on Ukrainian cities.

Russia is a terrorist state, but world doesn't care if they can have profits from Russia.

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by cmrdporcupine on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:06PM (#38689023)

At first I felt like maybe this was a reasonable strategy from the west, because it allowed NATO to escalate capabilities slowly without at any point performing actions that would have looked like a direct attack on Russian home soil, justifying military action against the west, etc.

But after this summer of letting the Ukrainians flounder along the front in a stalemated counteroffensive, I am frustrated. The F16s should have been there this summer.

And now Avdiivka will become this winter's Bakhmut and the US could very well end up with a Putin-allied Trumpler in the Whitehouse next year.

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by ponector on Monday December 18, 2023 @05:36PM (#38689386)

I have a feeling that west doesn't want Ukraine to win. They want to bleed Russia, to make it weak, but to stay in one piece and with current government.

Unfortunately for Ukraine, there is no powerful politician like Reagan nowadays.

Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.

We had decades of peace and prosperity and now hard times are coming.

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by cmrdporcupine on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:38PM (#38690334)

We don't need strong men, we need strong people.

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @02:18AM (#38692797)

It’s not only about weapons, jets etc. You need personell and expertise to use them. Does Ukraine have that?

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @02:12AM (#38692767)

Do you really think Russia will give up the already occupied territories? Crimea? I think this could happen when Putin would be removed and NATO would deploy to Ukraine. Just sending more and more weapons will not change anything.

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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by ponector on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @06:20AM (#38694280)

They already have given up lots of occupied territories. Guess why? Because of the advances of Ukrainian army. If west will send more weapons, without restrictions to use them against Russian army - all territory of Ukraine could be liberated from occupation.

If you think that west should give up and let Russians win and keep occupied territories - you should learn European history better.

Remember "peace for out time" agreement with Hitler in Munich 1938?

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