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Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by jnsaff2 on Monday December 18, 2023 @02:23PM (#38686956)
So aggression gets rewarded by handing them something they wanted. Do you really think that this is the end, this is all they wanted and from now on they are peaceful world citizens?

Every time you hand something to aggressors you need to hand them more the next time.

How many km between russia and the border of the country where you live?

For me it's 0.

You either help Ukraine now or be ready to fight yourself sometime in the future.

It's like in the winter you are cold and you pee in your pants. It will be warm for a moment end then what?

Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:57PM (#38688151)
I don’t disagree, but what exactly means stopping Russia? How would you define what is “winning”? So, “that Russia doesn’t do that anymore”? Russia is a nuclear superpower, who can stop them? The NATO? But that’s 3WW.
Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by cmrdporcupine on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:47PM (#38688830)
I don't get your question "who can stop them?" The Ukrainians have already done so, to a large degree. Nobody imagined Ukraine lasting more than a week of invasion, but they did so, and then retook large swathes of territory and forced the Russians into a defensive posture.

The mistake the west made was not having confidence in the Ukrainians early on, and not supplying them with the tools early on and into last winter. We let Russia pull back and build intensive defensive lines that would be impossible to breach without air support.

As for nuclear weapons... they are not tools to win wars.

The first country to use a nuclear weapon as an offensive weapon will be turned to glass. It's just not a tool that even Putin is stupid enough to use.

They don't make you a powerful offensive power, just a powerful defensive one. And nobody has ever suggested invading Russia, despite their paranoid claims to the contrary.

Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @02:01AM (#38692710)
If the Ukranians already done so, why is there still war?
Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by jnsaff2 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @12:45AM (#38692290)
So your strategy is to not have kids and hope you die before the baddies come to rape you?
Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @01:59AM (#38692701)
What are you talking about?
Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by jnsaff2 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @04:10AM (#38693444)
Well you seem to scared of nuclear blackmail to the point of giving up.

Not only that, you publicly advocate for not helping Ukraine and condemning tens of millions of people to horrors is russian oppression.

So you are doing kremlins work exactly as they wish for.

You seem to understand that should we not help Ukraine then they will not stop. They still have nukes to keep scaring you.

What is your strategy?

Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by mdavid626 on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @09:16AM (#38695745)
As I stated in my other comment, I don't think Russia would use nukes, only when their core existence is threatened. I'm not advocating to NOT to help Ukraine, I'm just trying to figure out what exactly is our plan. Which is still unclear. You and all others here have absolutely zero idea. I'm a very cautious person and before committing to sending more weapons, at least I'd like to know what is our strategy. How we're going to win? But of course, it's also an option to send as many weapons as we can without any further strategy and let as many Ukrainians die as can, without even understanding what winning means. This is somehow the only accepted solution currently. And if you don't like that, then you are pro Russian fallen for Russian propaganda.
Re:Wasm3 entering a minimal maintenance phase by jnsaff2 on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @01:35AM (#38706059)
It’s not hard to understand when a person is either fallen for russian propaganda or is an active troll.