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Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by CrzyLngPwd on Monday December 18, 2023 @11:35AM (#38684801)
Maybe it's time to stop caring so much about things on the internet and focus on the truth that is in front of you, the real things.
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by I_Am_Nous on Monday December 18, 2023 @11:51AM (#38684960)
I wish we could get other people to agree, the internet was great until it started leaking out into real life and affecting day to day existence. The internet is a meta-reality that keeps asserting itself into our perceived reality and convinces people it should be paid attention to.
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by pavel_lishin on Monday December 18, 2023 @12:09PM (#38685213)
The internet is a reflection of reality, and mirrors are useful things - as long as not too many of them are fetched from a funhouse.
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by coffeecantcode on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:01PM (#38687413)
Nothing to add, just wanted to say this was very well put.
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by CrzyLngPwd on Monday December 18, 2023 @11:52AM (#38684982)
Amen to that!
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by keybored on Monday December 18, 2023 @12:23PM (#38685413)
This is the Postmodern Age. People have been writing about this phenomena decades before the widespread adoption of the Internet and before geniuses began penning opinion pieces about how it’s possible to believe untruths now.[1]

Which means that (in turn) you can’t just “log off” and be rid of the problem since it predates... logging off.

Neo thought he could just “log off” in The Matrix. But then then it turned out that the illusions ran deeper than first thought.

[1] Filter Bubble quacks et al

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by int_19h on Monday December 18, 2023 @01:29PM (#38686249)
Orwell wrote this in a letter in 1944:

"Everywhere the world movement seems to be in the direction of centralised economies which can be made to ‘work’ in an economic sense but which are not democratically organised and which tend to establish a caste system. With this go the horrors of emotional nationalism and a tendency to disbelieve in the existence of objective truth because all the facts have to fit in with the words and prophecies of some infallible fuhrer. Already history has in a sense ceased to exist, ie. there is no such thing as a history of our own times which could be universally accepted, and the exact sciences are endangered as soon as military necessity ceases to keep people up to the mark. Hitler can say that the Jews started the war, and if he survives that will become official history. He can’t say that two and two are five, because for the purposes of, say, ballistics they have to make four. But if the sort of world that I am afraid of arrives, a world of two or three great superstates which are unable to conquer one another, two and two could become five if the fuhrer wished it. That, so far as I can see, is the direction in which we are actually moving, though, of course, the process is reversible."

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by keybored on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @08:54AM (#38695519)
I get the impression from Orwell that he thinks of these issues in too much of a top-down way. “prophecies of some infallible fuhrer.” It’s easy to mentally resist the propaganda of the fuhrer and his henchmen. You just have to parrot the lines, you don’t have to believe it.[1]

But these issues have become internalized, not merely something that the Ministry of Truth or whatever says. I think the introduction to Eclipse of Reason explains it better (published 1947).

In general I think “Truth” died due to Hyperreality. (If I could read French. Or understand Postmodernism.) Orwell’s vision has become too simplistic. I don’t really understand why his memes are so popular. Although perhaps on a meta-level it could be understood.

[1] The propaganda in Animal Farm was mostly delivered through the henchmen who personally berated the animals and gaslit them. It’s harder to resist even that.

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by simiones on Monday December 18, 2023 @12:07PM (#38685193)
Well, if you care about your city or country, you have to care about many things that are not immediately in front of you. And the Internet is one of the main places where such things can be learned about.
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by randomdata on Monday December 18, 2023 @12:21PM (#38685387)
Most cities and counties see the people of those cities/countries hire representatives to discover and report on the things that should be cared about that are not immediately in front of the average person going about their day.

If you alone feel you also need to duplicate their efforts, you may just have control issues, but if the need is genuine and shared by many then you need to rally the people to get the problem solved. Paying an employee to do nothing while you pick up the slack is a plain waste of resources.

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by simiones on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @05:59AM (#38694133)
You still have to care whether your representatives are actually doing the job you voted them in for and are paying your taxes for. You can't just say "I voted for someone who promised to build shelters for homeless people, so homeless people now have shelter".

Ideally, the press would actually report on what is happening, but the incentives just aren't there for thorough and accurate reporting. You either get highly partisan press that lies or just omits important parts of what is happening because the ones paying the bills want them to, or you get an anemic press that can't do more than trawl FB or, worse, official declarations for info.

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by randomdata on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @09:49AM (#38696175)
When you sit down and go over the reports and give direction with your employee each week, it should stand out pretty clearly if they are not doing their job. No different than any other organization where you hire employees. Cities and countries are not somehow magically different. Of course, you don't just vote for the employee you like and never speak to them again. That would be just plain silly. Being the boss doesn't mean you can sit idle on a sandy beach for the rest of your life.

Although that is not nearly as silly as hiring an employee and then doing their job for them. There is no point in hiring anyone if you want to do the job yourself. You go through the employee election process because you recognize that it is more efficient for one person to do the work on your, and your neighbour's, behalf. You are choosing to hand off the work to someone else precisely so you do not have to do it.

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by simiones on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @10:11AM (#38696519)
So how do you tell if your representatives are doing their job as promised, without reading (online, in print, on TV/Radio) about news from the local area? You could look at their reports, but how do you know if their reports are true?
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by randomdata on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @12:11PM (#38698307)
1. You can read the local news (online, in print, on TV/Radio), but how do you know it is providing true and relevant information?

2. If you cannot establish enough trust with the employee you are choosing to hire, why are you selecting anyone? If you are going to do the work yourself, why not do the work yourself?

3. As before, there is nothing special about cities and countries when as compared to any other organization. If you have a widget factory, how do you ensure that your hired engineers are designing widgets that meet your expectations and requirements? Do you simply push them aside and design the widgets yourself in case what they designed wasn't up to snuff?

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by tsimionescu on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @03:16PM (#38700888)
1. I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot.

2. Managers typically have a handful of direct reports that they can check and trust. Also, managers can fire their employees on the spot, reduce their pay etc. You have nowhere near that level of control over your representatives, and you have many more representatives than any normal manager has direct reports.

3. While I trust my direct reports and employees, I very much occasionally verify that their work is being done. I don't need to design a widget myself: I can find out if the widget works or not by checking how well it holds up, what the QA department finds and so on.

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by randomdata on Tuesday December 19, 2023 @09:39PM (#38704832)
> I don't 100%, but video evidence and multiple sources helps a lot.

Then have your worker collect video evidence and information from multiple sources to have on hand when you need greater assurances. You're the boss. They're simply there to relieve you from having to do the job yourself. It is reasonable to expect them to do the job like you would.

> you have many more representatives than any normal manager has direct reports.

Government systems can differ, but typically you hire one employee for any one government that you oversee. It is likely that you are in charge of a few governments (e.g. federal, state, municipal), but unlikely more than a small handful. It would be quite unusual for a manager to have fewer direct reports in an organization of any meaningful size.

> You have nowhere near that level of control over your representatives

You most certainly do as long as you have the rest of the board on your side. Finding consensus with the board may be a challenge, but that's true of any organization. The sitting board at the widget factory isn't bowing to your every wish either.

> While I trust my direct reports and employees, I very much occasionally verify that their work is being done.

So why not do the same with the employee you hire to watch over political matters?

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by tsimionescu on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @03:10AM (#38706438)
Again, I don't trust politicians, and I have good reason not to. You need multiple sources of information to corroborate in any setting you care about.

Plus, while it's true that in some government systems you only vote for a specific person, in many others you vote for a political party, and they allocate people as needed and according to the total votes they got. I think this system is far more common than the other one, and it is the system I live in (for parliament and town councils - it's true that for presidential and mayoral elections you vote for a single person).

Finally, having "a board" of some 2 million or 20 million or 200 million people is entirely different from having a board of 10. And then, social media is exactly one of the ways I can collaborate with my other "board members" at this scale.

Already if I'm a board member and not a manager, then much of your metaphors die away: active board members absolutely do more than read reports from their CEO, they read newspapers and watch analysts talk about their business. They don't rely entirely on the CEO for info on how the business is doing. And I have yet to see a company led by 200 co-CEOs, each chosen by a different board - and yet this is how must countries operate. It's almost like democratic countries are a totally different kind of organization than autocratic companies, and require totally different means of interaction.

In addition, CEOs are legally liable if they lie to their boards about the state of the business. Politicians are very much entirely protected for any and all things they say to the public about their activity. Your mayor could publicly tell you that they have paved your own driveway with gold and that they are increasing taxes to pay for the maintenance of that gold that doesn't exist, and it would be completely legal for them to do so.

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by int_19h on Monday December 18, 2023 @01:33PM (#38686299)
Lately it feels more like things that aren't "immediately in front of you" are getting dragged into conversations where they don't really make sense.

This year, my town had a referendum on whether to raise taxes to fund a public pool to replace a 70-year-old one that is falling apart. The public conversation was only focused on actual pros and cons of that particular project rather briefly, quickly devolving first into a general fight over development vs lack thereof, and from there to national economic policy, crime etc. And I have a distinct feeling that most people who actually voted ended up being swayed (one way or the other) by those arguments - the partisan alignment of support & opposition at the end was very blatant.

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Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by CrzyLngPwd on Monday December 18, 2023 @11:52AM (#38684977)
You can't do anything about it aside from getting stressed at your device.

How would you feel if you were now getting stressed at a chatbot?

Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by tharne on Monday December 18, 2023 @11:55AM (#38685026)
You really think more people rage-commenting on clickbait news articles makes the world better? The parent commenter is right. We should be spending our time on the people and relationships near to us in the real world, not junk on Facebook.
Re:Facebook Is Being Overrun with Stolen, AI-Gen Images That... by revscat on Monday December 18, 2023 @12:17PM (#38685341)
Interesting that you are getting downvoted here. I have come to a similar conclusion, for my own mental health if for no other reason. My ability to affect the course of human civilization is next to zero, and worrying about AGW, etc., is simply not something I feel driven to do anymore.

Instead I’m baking cookies for friends and family today.