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Re:What is randomness? Nobody knows.. by dsthysd on Friday April 20, 2012 @10:48AM (#3868070)
Randomness is an equal chance that one of a number of events occur. Is he arguing that we do not know what randomness is? Or that we have not found anything truly random?
Re:What is randomness? Nobody knows.. by pdhborges on Friday April 20, 2012 @11:12AM (#3868204)
No. There are plenty of random variables without non-uniform distributions. Plus an event in probability theory is not what you think it is. An event can be any subset of the sample space.
Re:What is randomness? Nobody knows.. by bgilroy26 on Friday April 20, 2012 @01:20PM (#3868840)
The behaviour that dice and spinners and coins are trying to emulate is precisely what dsthysd said. In each case you hope that the faces of the die, sections of the spinner, and sides of the coin are equally likely each time.

I don't think I'm being unrealistic, how can learning more about probability theory change the conventional definition of random?

Isn't the real difficulty in trying to make a non-deterministic system out of a computer, since all we ever do with computers is feed instructions into them?

Re:What is randomness? Nobody knows.. by Mahh on Friday April 20, 2012 @11:12AM (#3868206)
His discussion pertains to actual sources of randomness(not just the notion of randomness). Even randomness in our technology is generated from deterministic models.

It's sort of strange -- Physics seems like it should be deterministic, so where could random possibly come from? If the Universe is deterministic, then shouldn't anything we observe that seems 'random' actually not random(including human thoughts!?!?)? Enter philosophy land.

Re:What is randomness? Nobody knows.. by MrJagil on Friday April 20, 2012 @12:38PM (#3868627)
As an aspiring philosopher i love these thoughts! Thank you!

I have long thought that Chaos Theory is a vastly underestimated scientific field. They should teach it in elementary school!