Re:How Africans Are Changing French – One Joke, Rap and Book...
by dnh44 on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:30AM
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>Spain, Italy, Greece are similar to France in that they are condescending towards non-native speakers.
I've spent quite a lot of time in Spain and I've never felt that but it's possible that I just didn't notice. The same in Italy although I've only spent 3 or 4 weeks there in total. However it has never occurred to me to think of Paris as unfriendly either which seems to contradict the experience of most other people, so maybe I'm just oblivious to that sort of thing.
Re:How Africans Are Changing French – One Joke, Rap and Book...
by foldr on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:22AM
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Like the sibling, I haven't found Spain too bad for this. Waiters and other service staff sometimes switch to English on me despite my Spanish being perfectly serviceable for that sort of interaction, but no-one's ever been rude to me about it. One waitress apologised when I said that I like to practice my Spanish, but explained that she also wanted to practice her English. I suspect that's quite a common dynamic.
One thing I've found is that fleeting interactions in shops and restaurants are a terrible way of practicing a language. I can have a full conversation with a Spanish person without too much difficulty, but I still find shops and restaurants quite challenging situations. So, don't go on holiday to practice language X. Pay $15 for a one hour online conversation class.
I would accept that France is slightly harder to pronounce than English but as a beginner/intermediate French speaker I don't personally believe it.
However, I definitely agree that people in France - especially Paris - are not receptive to foreigners speaking French at all. They don't support you, and you do feel looked down on for speaking badly (in comparison to Vietnam where you will never feel looked down on, you'll just receive looks of confusion). Again, I don't mean friends that you make. I mean the general French populace that you meet while going about your daily business, in shops, restaurants, and so on.
Spain, Italy, Greece are similar to France in that they are condescending towards non-native speakers. Mainland Greece was the worst for me. Meanwhile I would say that Portugal, Indonesia, Germany, and many English speaking countries (at least in cities) are quite helpful and friendly towards non-native speakers. Of course, I only have my own limited experience to go on so I may be wrong.