Re:More product, fewer product managers
by airocker on Sunday December 17, 2023 @05:13AM
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We are not talking about a good manager here. We are talking about the one who can program manage to the level of lowest jira issues.
Re:More product, fewer product managers
by naijaboiler on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:11AM
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That’s not product management. That’s an under-qualified person misunderstanding their role. Product management is mostly a people job, understanding internal stakeholders, understanding customer, understanding the market, understanding the solution options, formulating and understanding strategy for the product, coordinating product marketing and documentation for the product.
If someone can do all that well, there’s simply no time to micro manage jira tickets
Re:More product, fewer product managers
by airocker on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:48AM
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Even if they have the time, my rule is that nobody who does not understand the complexity of the solution (not the problem or the what) should be allowed anything more than watch rights in jira and standups. I would love to hear one non coding product manager who does not run jira in their org of more than 100 people.
The problem is that it is hard to be a product manger and own those tough customer metrics. It is easy to do jira and get credited for engineering work.
When I was a product manager for large computer systems back in the dark ages, I can pretty much guarantee you that none of the engineers wanted to spend probably the majority of their days on the phone with sales reps, in customer meetings, providing updates to management and other groups involved with product launches, writing technical sales docs, and reviewing marketing materials, etc. Many engineers liked sitting in on a customer meeting now and then as a change of pace but they (properly) wanted to spend the bulk of their time focused on actual engineering.
It’s another job altogether. That doesn’t mean I won’t follow the technological trends, educate myself or refuse to program anything. I wrote some postman script to validate what’s happening with our api, know the infra behind it, and can generally point people in the right direction. I have to know the product inside out to make educated answers when something goes wrong or if a decision is required.
It’s often a people job. And that’s something I try to share with the teams I work for.