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Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by tshaddox on Friday December 15, 2023 @04:57PM (#38659316)
> If it's locked with a key, not a keypad or combination lock, they can force you to give the key. The distinction is that the former is a product of the mind, while the latter is a physical object. Furthermore, what if you forgot the combination?

Sounds a bit silly. The location of the key is "a product of the mind." What if you forgot the location of the key?

Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by gaganyaan on Friday December 15, 2023 @08:43PM (#38660995)
IANAL but you could likely successfully claim that you forgot where the key is, exactly because that's a product of the mind. If they have evidence that you do actually know then you might be compelled to hand it over, though.
Re:Suspects can refuse to provide phone passcodes to police,... by Manuel_D on Friday December 15, 2023 @05:03PM (#38659363)
If law enforcement has a warrant to search your safe, they could presumably expand that search to the rest of your house if you forgot where the key is. The core distinction is that the key is a physical object, it exists somewhere even if you forgot where it is. By comparison the combination is a product of the mind. The only way to retrieve it is for someone to talk to the police (which they have a constitutional right not to do).