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Re:Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggestin... by FirmwareBurner on Thursday December 14, 2023 @06:04PM (#38648634)
Most companies don't have network effect with lock-in, and especially those we depend to live our everyday lives: I can send money to my buddy who uses a different bank, I can send emails to gmail users from my yahoo account , I can also refuel my car at any station and not be tied to one brand. Imagine being locked in to any of those.

There are of course a lot of companies with lock-in out there, but none with such big network effect deeply intertwined with peoples' communication and personal lives (in the US).

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Re:Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggestin... by verwalt on Thursday December 14, 2023 @07:40PM (#38649577)
The thing is: it is not locking in. At the moment through SMS and it will support RCS next year.

And RCS will solve it all. If group chats and high quality media work, people will only complain about the one thing they hate most:

The bubbles will still be green.

But I am from Europe, we don't care around here and I don't like iMessage that much. Compared to Telegram/Whatsapp, it's slow at loading old messages, has sync issues and only gut swipe to reply this year.

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Re:Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggestin... by rezonant on Thursday December 14, 2023 @11:20PM (#38650951)
1. You cannot opt to use SMS on Apple Messages when talking to someone. If they are registered on iMessage, you are forced to use it. This happens transparently, automatically, and for the most part, silently. This helps to create the illusion that Apple devices are just better at texting, and anything else is old and shitty. When in reality, Apple itself only supports their own proprietary messaging system, and an ancient texting protocol that is bad.

2. I hope you are right that RCS will solve everything once Apple implements it, but I don't have confidence it will. The biggest problem is how they handle group chats: If iMessage group chats cannot seamlessly convert into RCS group messages (without duplication or splitting) then it will solve it well enough. This is unlikely to happen unfortunately

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Re:Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggestin... by Longhanks on Friday December 15, 2023 @03:32AM (#38652210)
You absolutely can disable iMessage for yourself and text anyone using regular texts (SMS) only, you are never forced into iMessage. You can deregister your phone number on Apple's website without any Apple device.

Also, where is the "illusion" about "being better at texting"? Apple is literally coloring the bubbles differently to tell you that _iMessage is not the same_. How much more explicit can it get?

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Re:Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggestin... by viraptor on Friday December 15, 2023 @05:57AM (#38652936)
> And RCS will solve it all.

If the deployment is anywhere close to how it went in Australia, RCS will be a bumpy road with many people turning it off to get messages delivered. My usual experience for months now is: send a message, get a "can't deliver" notification an hour later, resend by SMS, next message delivers through RCS and switches the conversation, repeat.

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Re:Apple partly halts Beeper's iMessage app again, suggestin... by jmye on Thursday December 14, 2023 @08:33PM (#38650003)
?

You can send a text to any user, regardless of service. I don’t understand your analogy.

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