Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe...
by ImPostingOnHN on Thursday December 14, 2023 @10:03PM
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Your post is a list of grievances, none of which justify Israel's unilateral and internationally opposed terror bombing of Palestinians. Being unhappy with international consensus doesn't justify war crimes. Claiming someone else committed war crimes doesn't justify war crimes.
As for your demands, nobody has to explain how to get Hamas to do anything, because that is a goal whose priority is secondary to preservation of civilian lives against the terror bombing of civilians which is ongoing as we speak. Israel must stop, and only THEN can we discuss how to deal with the next issue. The priorities are, in order of highest to lowest
1. Stop violence currently being perpetrated against civilians (address most immediate ongoing harm)
2. Stop blocking aid to civilians (address less immediate ongoing harm)
3. Discuss/Negotiate security for civilians (address future harm)
3 doesn't come before 1 or 2.
Ok. Please explain how you'll get Hamas to stop firing. They have sworn not to stop firing, literally never. Even if Israel surrenders and lets them kill all Israeli (their stated intention) they would still not stop. They've actually gone on TV to say that.
Israel is not bombing civilians. IDF is bombing terrorist targets. The reason civilians die is that Hamas is forcing these people, at gunpoint, to stay in buildings Hamas KNOWS will be bombed, while firing at IDF soldiers from within those buildings.
So please explain what will make Hamas stop firing? Because if the answer is enforcement, you're just suggesting doing what the IDF is doing ... Do you seriously have the slightest doubt Hamas will have any qualms about shooting at whoever "the international community" happens to be?
> ... and see what peace or resolution can be found by the international community.
The international community will help rebuild Hamas, because it'll get them political wins. After which much more people will die.
> ... Would you be alright with Israel leveling the whole block, killing you, your entire family, your neighbors, your friends?
You don't get how Hamas works at all. They don't incidentally run behind civilians. Hamas is not hiding behind civilians. Hamas is using human shields. They are shooting at Palestinians, regularly killing a bunch of them (it'll be blamed on Israel anyway, and even if it isn't ...) forcing them to stand between them and IDF soldiers, locking them up, without food, in buildings they are operating from.
Given what happened to Israeli soldiers, and what Hamas has done in the past, YES, I would like the army to use weapons to attempt to blast us out, knowing the potential consequences. Compared to being tortured and put in full harms' way, constantly threatened by terrorists, yes, I'd prefer the "shorter pain".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital#2007_Fatah%E...
Hamas threatened the WHO doctors to help them execute people brought into the emergency room. Yes, I like to fantasize that that would be past my limits and I'd actually prefer to be executed, even try to kill someone asking me that, rather than help.