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Re:Men should abstain from drinking at least three months pr... by giraffe_lady on Thursday December 14, 2023 @12:22PM (#38644025)
I'm not sure that makes it a trap, but no I would not trust anyone's view of the consequences of their own drug use. But the alternative is not to match their use against a number created by an uninvolved third party either. Probably a person's family and other close relations have the most useful perspective on their use and its effects.

I'm not a moralizing teetotaler or drug abolitionist here either. Recreational drug use is often fine, people can and in some cases maybe even should do it. But it should stop when the negative consequences reach a certain point, and it's probably impossible for an individual to have the perspective allowing them to see where they are relative to that point.

Re:Men should abstain from drinking at least three months pr... by bmacho on Thursday December 14, 2023 @12:51PM (#38644490)
> I'm not sure that makes it a trap, but no I would not trust anyone's view of the consequences of their own drug use.

And I wouldn't trust about anyone else's view. It's either a feeling (when you have to rely on the "drug user", how they feel about it) or it is hard facts. Outsiders opinions are worthless.

Re:Men should abstain from drinking at least three months pr... by giraffe_lady on Thursday December 14, 2023 @01:09PM (#38644796)
Right, I'm saying an outsider doesn't have an experience of the user and so no grounds for any particular insight about them and their use and its effects.

Their family and friends however are not outsiders. They have hard facts about how the use affects them, which is often some of the most significant negative consequences of drug use. I don't think any single person is situated to confidently say that someone else's use isn't a problem. But in cases where it is a problem, family often have all the information necessary to know that it is.