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Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by ImJamal on Thursday December 14, 2023 @10:19AM (#38642288)
Let's take a hypothetical situation.

A company decides it doesn't want to hire black people or Hispanic people. They decide they only want to hire whites and Asians. Any of their employees who do not meet the quotas and hire too many blacks lose bonuses or are outright fired.

Would you still ask what is deeply racist in that case?

Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by kaonashi on Friday December 15, 2023 @09:15AM (#38654356)
If you have to completely ignore the historical and present status of racial discrimination in order to make your argument, it's not quite as effective as you might think it is.
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by ImJamal on Friday December 15, 2023 @10:13AM (#38654935)
Being a racist who discriminates against specific races is fine if some other people were also racist? Is that actually what you are arguing?
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by kaonashi on Friday December 15, 2023 @02:32PM (#38657771)
What would be a non 'racist against white people' way to reduce race-based discrimination against non-whites?
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by ImJamal on Sunday December 17, 2023 @07:46PM (#38677990)
Not being racist to anybody would be a way to reduce racism against non-whites.
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by kaonashi on Monday December 18, 2023 @09:25AM (#38682927)
Oh, can you point to examples where racism has spontaneously disappeared?
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by ImJamal on Monday December 18, 2023 @09:34PM (#38691104)
Stop moving the goal posts.
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by kaonashi on Thursday December 21, 2023 @12:09PM (#38723238)
You said that racism against non-whites can be removed by 'not being racist', these are your words.
Re:IBM Diversity Efforts Targeted by Stephen Miller's Legal ... by rhuru on Monday December 18, 2023 @02:45PM (#38687212)
"Positive discrimination" is another of the DEI mumbo jumbo that people have come up with to somehow legitimizing discrimination against white people (specifically white male). For anyone with a spine and intellectual honesty this should be as disgusting as any other discrimination.

It is because of phrases like this, that most of us (I am not white) see DEI crowd as bunch of race grifters and unworthy of any position in modern workplace. This is why people like Trump get instantly liked by average white man.

But entire DEI nonsense is based on purely shoddy scholarship and even worse logic.

1. Hispanic => These are the people of Spanish ancestry who arrived on this continent as invaders and brutalized the native populations. They did interbreed with natives but does not change the fact that these are colonizers and one of the worst in the world compared to British.

2. Black people => One of the most privileged groups on earth. They have enjoyed unparalleled and amazing life, benefits and prosperity that no other black society of comparable size on earth has enjoyed for last 100+ years.

3. Muslims => One of the most violent religions on earth which engaged in massive conquests lasting over centuries, traded the most number of slaves ans sex slaves, razed civilizations and killed off entire tribes and ethnicities. Plundered and looted a lot.

Victims:

1. Jews => One of the most persecuted groups in the world, frequently hated by other major religions and targeted for their faith.

2. Indian Hindus => Another massively persecuted group by Islamic colonization and later british. We can further break it down into castes and put some castes as bigger victims than others.

3. White males => Frequently sent to die in distant wars, millions of them died in Europe, Middle East and elsewhere defending freedom and liberty. White males working and being exploited by corporations have built the modern america.

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In reality the "victims" are the people "we should feel sorry for" or the losers. A drug dealing black guy is a victim. A neuro surgeon black guy is a guy who shares white privilege.

I do not care if I get downvoted by the era of DEI is over.