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Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by ponector on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @12:25PM (#38630711)
The alternative is to not have a cheap popular bikeshare system.

Also with monopolist it is really easy to keep some standards, quality of the ads.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by amadeuspagel on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:59PM (#38632431)
I don't know what to say here anymore. Is this city not capable of collecting taxes? Is this how they pay for any sort of public infrastructure? What monopoly did they exchange to have some private company build and maintain roads, pipes and cables?
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @12:41PM (#38631051)
False dichotomy. The alternative is to have a cheap popular bikeshare system supported by taxes.

[Edit to reply to okr, because I'm rate-limited:

Well, then, make the users of the bikes pay the full cost of the bike service.

As it is, you're pushing ads in everyone's face, whether or not they use the bike. Also no thanks.]

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by ponector on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @02:57PM (#38633358)
In theory. But in real life you'll pay more with taxes for poor service.

My big city in Poland tried several times to get public-private bike sharing. It ended the same: company ceases operation after few years and take all bikes from the streets. People get nothing while millions already spent.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by lancesells on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:53PM (#38634687)
I live in NYC and I wish bikeshare was a part of public transport. Kids get to use them with their pass, low income gets them, they get the same importance as the train or bus, etc. All part of one system instead of having to use the Lyft or any other app.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by atdrummond on Thursday December 14, 2023 @08:56PM (#38650208)
Kids already get to use Citi bikes for free, as long as they’re part of certain privileged classes (such as asylum seekers or border crossers).

The brouhaha over the pregnant nurse “stealing” a youth’s Citi bike was only possible due to the habit of under-18 users camping on bikes to continue riding them for free when their timer expired.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by digging on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @05:54PM (#38635367)
> My big city in Poland tried several times to get public-private bike sharing. It ended the same: company ceases operation after few years and take all bikes from the streets. People get nothing while millions already spent.

Is this an argument for public-private deals?

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by okr on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @12:53PM (#38631268)
So, instead of paying my money for a bike as a choice, a monopolist takes money from everyone. Very funny, but no thanks, i take Ads anytime over that.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by j_maffe on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @02:06PM (#38632540)
The collective community ends up paying a lot more in quality of life with these ads up. Also, ads are the primary way to get the lower economic classes to give their money to the rich.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by jefftk on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:02PM (#38634088)
> ads are the primary way to get the lower economic classes to give their money to the rich

This seems very implausible. People's largest expenses are things like housing, healthcare, childcare, and groceries, which are mostly not driven by advertising.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by okr on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @02:30PM (#38632952)
You give money to get goods. What is wrong about that?
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @02:55PM (#38633335)
You give money you can't really afford to give in order to get goods that you don't really need. You do so because advertisers are skilled professionals, and are better at manipulating you than you are at not being manipulated. And they have put themselves in places where you cannot help but see them. That's what's wrong about that.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by JAlexoid on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @03:41PM (#38633852)
This has little to do with advertising.

Consumer sentiment will be shaped by media other than advertising. You watching Instagram of people drinking alcohol and (seemingly) having fun will make you want to drink alcohol.

Ads for a particular type of alcohol will only steer your selection of product, but do not induce a desire to get it.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by _dain_ on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @03:20PM (#38633629)
>Well, then, make the users of the bikes pay the full cost of the bike service.

Great, so long as motorists pay the full cost of the roads.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by willmadden on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @03:57PM (#38634040)
The beneficiaries of roads are much more than motorists. Almost every employer and the government needs roads to operate. The motorists include trucks that keep society functioning. You would have no food, water, or electricity in 1-2 weeks without roads.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by xboxnolifes on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:43PM (#38634569)
The beneficiaries of road alternatives include road users as well. Since it benefits road users, it also benefits everyone you just listed.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by digging on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @05:56PM (#38635391)
Then let private motorists pay their share of the upkeep. I'd throw out a guess that it's upwards of 99%.
Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by MichaelZuo on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @08:08PM (#38636542)
The guess is the opposite of reality, heavy trucks and busses are responsible for practically all road damage.

As road wear and tear is proportional to the third or fourth power of axle weight.

i.e. Even a fully loaded Escalade does roughly ~1 cent of road damage for every hundreds of dollars a normal city bus does.

Re:Adfree Cities: for happier, healthier cities by _dain_ on Sunday December 17, 2023 @06:52AM (#38672249)
The same logic applies to railways, airports, cargo ships.