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Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by Jensson on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:17AM (#38624670)
Steam adds a lot of features to games though over just having a windows install. Setting up multiplayer for indie games before steam was always annoying, with steam it is very easy and gives a uniform way to play with friends for every game I own there. There are many such quality of life things from steam, to me as a user it means I prefer paying more for games in steam than to pay for it without steam.
Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by rezonant on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:24AM (#38624728)
> me as a user it means I prefer paying more for games in steam than to pay for it without steam.

Unfortunately this is not an option. Valve's Steam agreements forbid publishers from charging less money on competing platforms.

https://www.masonllp.com/case/valve-mass-arbitration/#:~:tex...

(Others have pointed out that this fact is contested, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38625225)

Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by Jensson on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:37AM (#38624837)
I disagree with such contracts, I think they shouldn't be allowed, at least when you are as big as steam.

I can see it being reasonable to ban selling steam keys for less than they are sold at steam. But selling a steam-less license for less than what it costs at steam seems reasonable.

Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by terribleperson on Thursday December 14, 2023 @02:23AM (#38638708)
It's not just contested, but contradicted by reality. Many games on steam can be purchased from retailers who receive keys directly from the publishwr (e.g. Green Man Gaming), at a substantial discount. Sometimes that discount price is much closer to the after steam cut amount the publisher would otherwise receive.

The rumor, for many years, was that you could sell a game separately and if it didn't use steam keys and steam services Valve did not care. If you wanted to sell steam copies, there seemed to be two conditions. 1. Keys sold off of steam must make up less than some percentage of on-steam sales. 2. If you have a sale on another storefront, there must be a matching sale on Steam in some time window.

It is entirely possible that valves notoriously bad communication abilities resulted in a company believing a total ban on discounts was policy, but the fact that other publishers seemingly are not and were not held to that standard for many years is certainly odd.

Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by jncfhnb on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:46AM (#38624914)
Steam is good. But they have some sketchy policies. Eg epic requires games offered on multiple storefronts to have cross play compatibility
Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by ocdtrekkie on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:22AM (#38624714)
> adds a lot of features to games though over just having a windows install

Sure, and that goes into ways it should be able to compete well with other stores, not just be "the default".

> a uniform way

Also known as "a complete monopoly", and this is exactly the mountain that any competitor has to completely break. Epic's use of both paid exclusives and free games is to build you enough of a library that you (and your friends) likely have and want to play at least some Epic Games, and hence, already have both Epic and Steam installed.

Only once both stores are somewhat similarly available to you, can Epic really compete on the price and features aspects.

EDIT: The other thing that's important to realize about monopolies is that nothing remains the same forever. You might like Steam today, and feel we should all just let Steam be a monopoly because they're "good", but what happens when Gabe retires and a private equity firm comes in?

The only difference between Steam and Ticketmaster is that Steam hasn't tried to maximize value extraction yet.

Re:Interview: Epic CEO Tim Sweeney after Google antitrust win by Jensson on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:32AM (#38624794)
> Epic's use of both paid exclusives and free games is to build you enough of a library that you (and your friends) likely have and want to play at least some Epic Games, and hence, already have both Epic and Steam installed.

The epic store program is trash though, it is extremely slow and clunky and power hungry and lack most of the features I have in steam. They do have multiplayer integration which is nice, I have played games with friends there that were free, but the store being such a bad program is the main reason I still buy games on steam.

Steam isn't some super well made program, if epic store was a better program I would prefer buying games there for that reason. But as is epic store is way worse in almost every way, it takes seconds just to view a page, the epic store is much nicer to browse as a web page than in their dedicated program but I can't play the games from their web page.

If they fixed that then I don't think people would hate buying games on epic store, but until then I am pretty sure the main reason people still prefer steam is that epic store is garbage. Not sure why they don't just fix the app instead of spending so much money on exclusives or free games.