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Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by tsimionescu on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @05:44PM (#38619787)
> If Ukraine went into Russia to capture children and seniors after gunning down a group of kids partying, I'm pretty sure their Western backing would evaporate overnight. Russia, in some sense, would be vindicated in its claim that their neighbour poses a security threat.

That is an interesting thought experiment in itself. I'd like to believe you are right, but then I remember that there was virtually no condemnation when the daughter of one of Putin's propagandists was assassinated. There was also little interest to determine if Ukraine may have been behind the destruction of the dam that killed many innocent civilians. So, I'm not entirely sure how European and US opinion would have oriented.

> Israel can be partly responsible, but the primary debtor should be the U.K.--they are the ones who took the land and gave it to another

That is a good point, and I'm pretty sure other European states would have quite a bit to attone for to help set this right.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @05:46PM (#38619820)
> there was virtually no condemnation when the daughter of one of Putin's propagandists was assassinated

Massive difference between targeted killing and broad slaughter. To put this on the other shoe, it's why we were never going to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan or Vietnam.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by tsimionescu on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @05:55PM (#38619933)
Yes, I didn't mean to equivocate. Unquestionably what Hamas did was much, much worse. Still, logically speaking, if we can excuse murdering one innocent civilian, we might have excused murdering a thousand as well.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @06:09PM (#38620093)
> if we can excuse murdering one innocent civilian, we might have excused murdering a thousand

The target was the propagandist; “Dugin reportedly made a decision at the last minute to travel separately” [1].

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62621509

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by tsimionescu on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @03:09AM (#38624108)
Even so, Dugin is a civilian in this conflict. He is a propagandist, not a military leader or combatant.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by esyir on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @01:26AM (#38623429)
There's a difference between deliberate targeting of civilians and collateral damage. The latter is acceptable, as the alternative is literally impossible.