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Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by bjornsing on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @05:42PM (#38619761)
> Israel, as a state, has the moral duty to fight back and make sure this never happens again.

This is often said and I’m sure often in good faith, but I always find it a bit unsettling. If by “making sure it never happens again” you mean stronger protection of the boarder going forward it’s fine of course. But if you’re referring to someone kind of offensive operation (as I assume most who say this are, since they are defending an offensive operation) I can’t see how that would be possible within the law of armed conflict. It would require sending Gaza back to the stone age and keeping it that way forever, or permanent occupation, or something like that.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by nahumfarchi on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @07:03PM (#38620721)
We've tried defense, didn't work out. Which laws of armed conflict are you specifically referring to?
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by bjornsing on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @07:21PM (#38620882)
As it’s not clear to me how this goal could possibly be accomplished I can’t refer to any specific international law. But the spirit of the law does not allow for the indefinite subjugation of a neighboring people, regardless of what some of them have done.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by ashirusnw on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @08:47PM (#38621632)
It's impossible to describe Gaza 2005-2022 as indefinite subjugation. Quite the opposite. It could have become Singapore if not for Hamas.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by covercash on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @10:18PM (#38622223)
Then why isn’t the West Bank Singapore?
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by pgeorgi on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:55AM (#38625000)
Abbas is no Lee Kuan Yew, and that comparison is already way more charitable than Abbas deserves...

Wikipedia describes Lee as such: "Lee oversaw Singapore's transformation into a developed country with a high-income economy within his premiership. In the process, he forged a highly effective, anti-corrupt government and civil service. Lee eschewed populist policies in favour of long-term social and economic planning, championing civic nationalism through meritocracy[3] and multiracialism[4][5] as governing principles, making English the lingua franca[6] to integrate its immigrant society and to facilitate trade with the world, whilst mandating bilingualism in schools to preserve the students' mother tongue and ethnic identity."

That's a forward looking vision, not a backwards looking vision like the "Palestinian cause" that seems to end with restitution.

Would any politician with such a vision like Lee's even have a chance with Palestine's electorate? No idea, elections were last held in 2006...

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by bjornsing on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @05:59AM (#38625551)
> It's impossible to describe Gaza 2005-2022 as indefinite subjugation.

I wasn’t. I was describing Gaza 2023- under a regime that can guarantee nothing like October 7 can ever happen again as indefinite subjugation.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by xenospn on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @07:43PM (#38621104)
As long as Palestinians refuse to stop attacking Israel, that’ll always be the status quo. They will never be free.