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Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by wahnfrieden on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @04:54PM (#38619209)
The Hamas charter literally says that Israel will exist:

>It advocated for a Palestinian state in the 1967 borders, describing this as a "formula of national consensus".

1967 borders means two state.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by ashirusnw on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @08:26PM (#38621465)
What you're apparently referring to is slight change in Hamas charter in 1997.

In fact, what they actually said was "Hamas advocates the liberation of all of Palestine but is ready to support the state on 1967 borders without recognising Israel or ceding any rights"

i.e. they would support the creation a Palestinian state within 1967 borders in the interim but not give up their fight for the rest of Israel.

This "softening" (as one left-wing newspaper called it apparently unironically) was in contrast with their previous stance which would reject a Palestinian state offer if it was based 1967 borders.

They have never gone back on their stated aim to reconquer all of Israel and never indicated they will tolerate Israel existing.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by vacuity on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @06:05PM (#38620038)
I don't think Hamas is following that in practice, based on their treatment of Israelis, as hostages and as a people.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by nahumfarchi on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @06:52PM (#38620586)
Sure, those who had the good fortune to not be murdered and raped with their family and friends were treated with humanity during a 3 minute PR parade. I'm sorry, but this is just gaslighting.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by p_j_w on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @06:45PM (#38620487)
Should they act completely peacefully while Israel maintains settlements and themselves don't honor the agreed upon 1967 borders? Why is it wrong for one side to behave violently but not the other?
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by vacuity on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @06:49PM (#38620536)
I don't condone those Israeli policies, but I don't think terrorist attacks are a productive way to incite peaceful reform. There's no fair solution when one side is much more powerful and cruel with that power, but responding with violence sure doesn't convince people to shake hands.
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by biorach on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @07:13PM (#38620818)
It's wrong for both sides to behave violently
Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by ashirusnw on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @08:32PM (#38621507)
The 1967 borders, as strongly as they feature in all discussions, were never "agreed upon".

Even the famous UN security council resolution 242 deliberately does not define those borders.

Every peace discussion has used them as a basis for a future settlement, but until that happens it's premature to call them agreed anything.

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by WrongAssumption on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @06:48PM (#38620530)
The full quote

'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.'

Re:'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israe... by selimthegrim on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @08:29PM (#38621485)
You are aware in Islam there’s a concept of God dealing with the oppressors, right?