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Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by Aurornis on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:24PM (#38608512)
> Just legalize it and let people get pure product at dirt cheap prices.

Having traveled to Portland recently and witnessed the public drug problem first hand, I have no idea how anyone would think that increasing availability of the drugs would improve the situation.

The only thing legalization and widespread availability would help is reducing deaths from tainted drugs. While that is a significant problem, anything that increases the availability and reduces the price of a drug addiction will also fuel drug use among the public. I've heard people try to argue the inverse, but removing penalties, decreasing prices, and improving availability simply cannot do anything other than increase consumption.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by hedora on Monday December 11, 2023 @11:10PM (#38609338)
Sociologists recently performed a large multi-region study of homelessness, drug use, etc.

It turns out that there’s no real correlation between having drug addicts on the streets and the level of drug use in the area or even mental illness. Unemployment doesn’t even predict homelessness, and neither does weather, or laws pertaining to the homeless.

By far, the best predictor is housing affordability and availability.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by gruez on Monday December 11, 2023 @11:14PM (#38609378)
Link to study?
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by dublinben on Monday December 11, 2023 @11:51PM (#38609680)
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by cjwilliams on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @01:43AM (#38610336)
I know this sounds absurd, but I don't think social studies on such politically hot issues can be trusted outright. Given the state of university social science departments, can you imagine the cost of publishing something that supported ‘war on drugs’ style policy. Im not saying your study is bogus, just that Ive learned to be circumspect around research into such topics. Because often such academics are also activists or involved in public/ nonprofit institutions that have become invested in specific policy.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by hedora on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @10:05PM (#38622154)
I get your sentiment, but note that this study goes even farther to piss off anti-war on drugs activists:

It says it doesn’t matter either way, so they are wrong (if they win, it won’t help), but also irrelevant.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by buzzert on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @07:52PM (#38621179)
Interestingly, progressive cities also have the most expensive housing.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by hedora on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @10:03PM (#38622144)
They generally have incredibly severe homeless problems, which is ironic, since they spend so much money on homeless aid programs, affordable housing (not more housing) initiatives, etc.

I think that partially motivated the study. Climate also doesn’t seem to matter, neither does hiring more police, or really anything politicians have funded in the last decade.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by randombits0 on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:29PM (#38608552)
The biggest problem with dying by overdose is measuring the dose. Legal drugs presume quality control and standardized dosing. This, alone, could prevent the majority of opioid deaths.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by Aurornis on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:34PM (#38608601)
> This, alone, could prevent the majority of opioid deaths

Reduce, yes, but it's not a magic bullet. Many opioid deaths are from people taking pharmaceuticals in precisely measured doses, often in conjunction with other drugs. Others are from people who misjudge their tolerance after extended breaks, such as after relapsing.

Regardless, it's an entirely separate discussion than the problem in the main article: Increasing availability of drugs will worsen the societal problems in places like Portland.

I suspect increased availability of drugs would also lead to more deaths from polydrug abuse. People who normally take one drug might be more tempted to start mixing drugs if it's as easy as picking up some extra pills at the drug center down the street.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by thegrim33 on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:24PM (#38609013)
I bet what would work even better to prevent overdose deaths is not having our cities full of people doing opioids.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by bloaf on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:39PM (#38608638)
You're missing the point. If you're a politician, "making drug addicts not poison themselves" is a nice-to-have, but "making drug users not victimize others" is basically mandatory. Zero political parties are going to win on a platform of "its ok that drug addicts are making the streets unsafe, the real problem is that their drugs are not affordable or high enough quality."
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by arp242 on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:16PM (#38608933)
But this is not about opioid overdose deaths, but random people getting assaulted ("beaten nearly to death ") by meth-heads.