Re:Europe needs to escape providerism
by missedthecue on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:25PM
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Based on conversations I've had, it seems most Americans who think that way took a vacation to a ritzy area of Barcelona, Nice, or Florence, and and deduced that 100% of Europeans, must live like that.
That could be.
Very interested to hear specific ways the Europeans are beating us and where exactly they are hiding all that prosperity!
Re:Europe needs to escape providerism
by Alcatros552 on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:23PM
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Take life expectancy https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/world-life-expectancy-ma... or take how we treat the elderly and you will know the difference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhlIiMgDxm4
It's a matter of opinion and what people want, but from American i crossed path with who settled in western Europe: accessible health-care, better infrastructures, holidays and work-life balance are some of the things that are recurring.
I meant by both proxy statistics (e.g. life expectancy) and self-reported statistics (e.g. QoL metrics). I've linked both of those in comments in an adjacent subthread.
I, like many Americans, would take a strong safety net, sustainable urban development and a smaller home over the US's mess of a safety net, socially devastating suburban sprawl, and a 4000 sqft McMansion.
Re:Europe needs to escape providerism
by hotpotamus on Monday December 11, 2023 @04:20PM
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Which QoL metrics?
Re:Europe needs to escape providerism
by tomjakubowski on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @12:47PM
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Suicide rates are a good place to start. Overall the EU's suicide rate is 10.25/100k vs 14.04/100k in the US, and it looks like many places in the Midwest are doing worse than the US average.
[1] US suicide rates https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/...
[2] EU suicide rates https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/e...
I’ve travelled to quite a few places in Europe and coming from the American Midwest, we are beating much of Europe in most/all QoL metrics by a mile.
Much larger and nicer homes, larger properties, mincer automobiles, more variety of all consumer goods, higher incomes, more wealth and social mobility to name a few and I live in “flyover” country.