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Re:How Did Christianity Change the Roman Empire? by nat0704 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @02:16AM (#38589765)
Try countering the OP's arguments instead of resorting to writing self-serving nonsense simply because you don't have the intellectual capacity to make a single well-reasoned counter-point.

I write this as someone who despises significant portions of Christianity and indeed all Monotheistic religions, and yet even I see some value in what the OP wrote.

Re:How Did Christianity Change the Roman Empire? by jurynulifcation on Sunday December 10, 2023 @02:27AM (#38589814)
No, I'm quite done trying to counter Christian apologists. There's simply no amount of intellectual capacity that will get through to a bad faith actor, which I believe most Christian apologists to be.

How about you do something similar? Instead of writing self-serving nonsense, maybe tell me what value I have to gain from engaging in performative rhetoric against a crazed and fanatic audience who really only care about what happens to their immortal soul after death. Or do you not have the intellectual capacity to make a single well-reasoned counter-point?

Re:How Did Christianity Change the Roman Empire? by nat0704 on Sunday December 10, 2023 @02:40AM (#38589866)
The OP wrote about Moderns seeing "humility as a virtue, thanks to Christianity, and [the] secularization of Christianity" as opposed to the pre-christian Pagans who [rightly] saw personal pride and associated traits as being virtues.

A case in point being [from my possibly wrong point of view] the pre-Christian Romans whose list of principal virtues included: Dignitas, Severitas, & Gravitas, very roughly translated: Dignity, Sternness, and Self-Importance.

The OP's views on this particular topic are held by most serious historians of Early Europe. And yet, you lazily jumped into attacking his [presumed] religion instead of calmly stating your reasons why his views are wrong (if your mental capability is enough for you to formulate any such reason, a possibility I strongly doubt).

Within the specific context of the modern secularized world appropriating some of the more compassionate traits of Christianity (namely an appreciation for Humility, Care for the Weak, and a concern for the welfare of others even if they are not members of one's tribe/nationality, etc), I agree with the OP's viewpoint even if I do have some personal antipathy (which I mostly keep to myself) towards Monotheistic religious systems due to the rigid intolerance they tend to breed.

And since I am obviously not against any of the specific points the OP wrote on, what exactly would I be writing the counter-point to?

Re:How Did Christianity Change the Roman Empire? by jurynulifcation on Sunday December 10, 2023 @02:45PM (#38594306)
dude how about you climb off your fucking high faux-intellectual horse

> why his views are wrong

So did you never get the basic lesson in the difference between fact vs opinion or are you just too dense to understand that what he stated was an opinion and therefore can't rightly be labeled "right" or "wrong"? which is why I've been couching my responses in the language of philosophy and epistemology, or can you not read in between those particular lines?

> what exactly would I be writing the counter-point to?

Me, you fucking idiot.

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how about next time you step away from the insults? I've included them to show you what you look like to others. It doesn't do your writing any favors and it obviously doesn't increase your capacity to come to a common understanding with your fellow man.

Do better.